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| − | ===Relationship of John "Foxe" and "Hi540"===
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| − | ''I admit that it would be nice to have a non-Mormon ally at Mormon articles, but I long ago promised not to create sock puppets or attempt to recruit others to support my views. That's a promise I've kept and intend to keep.''<br>
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| − | —John Foxe (6 December 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John_Foxe&diff=176231278&oldid=176219280}}
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| − | ''...there will be no sock puppetry or meat puppetry on my part. It would be nice to have an ally occasionally, but I won't stoop to creating or recruiting them.<br>
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| − | —John Foxe (3 November 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_8#Arbitration}}
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| − | *"Among other things, I'm a serious amateur violist; and I also play the recorder on occasion." "John Foxe," 27 April 2006 {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bob_Jones_University&diff=prev&oldid=55808996}}
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| − | *"John is an amateur musician who has enjoyed playing the violin, viola, and recorder in campus, church, and community groups." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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| − | *"Once or twice a year I have occasion to mention the thalidomide case in the course of my work. (John Foxe, 9 September 2006) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tr%C3%B6del/Archive_6&diff=prev&oldid=74713900}}
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| − | *"Hey, Foxe, I have a question for you. Did you graduate from and/or do you work at or have family at BJU?" CyberAnth (27 October 2006) "Foxe" responds: "Sounds like a good bet to me:)" --John Foxe (27 October 2006) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bob_Jones_University/Archive_0004#Charles D. Provan}}
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| − | *The user name "Hi540" is the course designation for "History 540" at Bob Jones University. The following if from the BJU course catalog:
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| − | '''Hi 540 - Historical Research & Writing'''<br>
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| − | Techniques of historical research, analysis and composition culminating in a formal article-length paper based in part on primary documentation. Required of all students majoring in History. {{link|url=http://www.bju.edu/academics/courses/?subject=History}}
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| − | *"John teaches history at Bob Jones University" {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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| − | *Dr. Matzko teaches the BJU course "Historical Research and Writing" {{link|url=http://lincolnmullen.com/index.php?s=matzko}}
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| − | *"'Historiography' is the principles, methodology, or history of writing history. An excellent historiography of Mormonism is Walker, Whittaker, and Allen, Mormon History (2001)."--John Foxe 11:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mormonism_and_history#Merge_with_Mormon_apologetics.3F}}
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| − | *Dr. Matzko teaches a BJU course called "Historiography." {{link|url=http://lincolnmullen.com/index.php?s=matzko}}
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| − | *"I have in my possession a personal rejection letter from ''BYU Studies'' which, although very courteous, makes it clear that the reason for the rejection of an article of mine was ideological. (And yes, the article was later published in a peer reviewed journal.)"--John Foxe (talk) 14:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Oliver_Cowdery#View_of_the_Hebrews}}
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| − | *John Matzko, "The Encounter of the Young Joseph Smith with Presbyterianism," ''Dialogue'' {{link|url=http://www.dialoguejournal.com/store/?id=177}}
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| − | *Learning French. French is listed as being spoken at the "elementary" level as of 17 July 2006. "John Foxe" user page. {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:John_Foxe&diff=64374771&oldid=62366319}}
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| − | *Learning French. French is listed as being spoken at the "intermediate" level as of 26 September 2007. "Hi540's" user page. {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hi540&diff=160541279&oldid=160540018}}
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| − | *"Hey, Foxe, I have a question for you. Did you graduate from and/or do you work at or have family at BJU?" CyberAnth (27 October 2006) "Foxe" responds: "Sounds like a good bet to me:)" --John Foxe (27 October 2006) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bob_Jones_University/Archive_0004#Charles_D._Provan}}
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| − | *Graduated from BJU. Wife teaches English at BJU. Dr. Matzko "eventually earned degrees from Bob Jones University, the University of Cincinnati and the University of Virginia." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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| − | *"I've had various connections with BJU through the years, and WMUU was never the only station to which BJU students could listen when I attended."--Hi540 (9 November 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:WMUU-FM&diff=170408987&oldid=154113567}}
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| − | *"While I'm writing this, I'm on the BJU campus listening to WJKF 97.7, and I assure you that no one from the Dean of Students office would blink an eyelash."--"Hi540" (10 November 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:WMUU-FM&diff=170558205&oldid=170408987}}
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| − | *"John [Matzko] teaches history at Bob Jones University, Greenville, South Carolina." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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| − | *Graduated from the University of Virginia. {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hi540&diff=249171506&oldid=239589673}}
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| − | *Dr. Matzko "eventually earned degrees from Bob Jones University, the University of Cincinnati and the University of Virginia." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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| − | *Served in the military during the time period required to receive the "National Defense Service Medal". {{ref|hi540.military}}
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| − | *Served in the military during the time period required to receive the "National Defense Service Medal". "In 1969, John was drafted into the U.S. Army and served eighteen months in the Honor Guard, including a tour of duty as a sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknowns in Arlington National Cemetery." Serving during this period would qualify Dr. Matzko to receive the "National Defense Service Medal." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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| − | *"A few months ago when my wife noted a a couple sentences about D[wight] G[ustafson] in the local newspaper, she said, 'That sounds just like you.'" (John Foxe, , (28 February 2007) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jeffrey_O._Gustafson&diff=prev&oldid=111574192}}
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| − | *Dr. Matzko is married. {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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| − | *I asked my wife ... and she too couldn't remember ever hearing anything about that verse, even before we were married and went to different churches.--John Foxe (talk) 16:50, 13 January 2009 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Seer_stone_(Latter_Day_Saints)#Revelation_2.17_and_the_white_stone}}
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| − | *"John became a Christian as a child while attending the Bible Presbyterian Church of Collingswood...[his wife] became a charter member of North Love Baptist Church." {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/about/}}
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| − | *Parents immigrated from Europe. {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Billy_Sunday#Showing_Sunday_as_more_than_one-dimensional}}
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| − | *Parents immigrated from Europe. {{link|url=http://www.konschak.org/soldierintro.htm}}
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| − | *"I just ran Provan on Google and then my own real, unusual name, and the hits were virtually identical, in the mid-hundreds... --John Foxe (21 December 2006)
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| − | *"John Foxe" welcomed John Matzko's son Austin to Wikpedia. (11 March 2009) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Austin_Matzko&diff=prev&oldid=276584777}}
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| − | *Editor “Hi540” uploaded a picture of Lake Santeetlah to Wikimedia Commons on May 18, 2008. The source is “own work” and the copyright holder is John Matzko. {{link|url=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LakeSanteetlah(lake).jpg}}
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| − | *The photo uploaded to Wikicommons happens to be the same photo that Dr. Matzko displays on his web page. {{link|url=http://www.matzkoscottage.com/}}
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| − | *"Furthermore, we need to call a spade a spade….John Foxe 12:41, 29 August 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_7#Third_paragraph_of_lede}}
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| − | *Response to Previous Art Gallery post. Do some research about the BJU M&G; not only can I personally attest to the validity of that statement (having toured the Gallery on an occasion), but there is considerable respect online among art historians. There are paintings by very famous masters such as Veronese, Titian, Tintoretto, Benjamin West, and many more. I would not say that such a statement is "blatantly false.” John Foxe 13:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bob_Jones_University&diff=prev&oldid=49914298#Art_Gallery}}
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| − | *26 November 2007 Hi540 added the following (incomplete) entry to the Wikitravel page “Greenville (South Carolina)” "Bob Jones University Museum and Gallery, 1700 Wade Hampton Blvd., [5]. Tu-Sunday, 2-5. Closed Monday. A thorough presentation of European Old Masters from the fourteenth through the nineteenth centuries including one of the finest collections of Italian Baroque painting in the United States. Includes religious art by Rubens, van Dyck, Reni, Tintoretto, Le Brun, Cranach, Ribera, and Murillo set among period furniture, sculpture, tapestries, and porcelains. Adults $5, Seniors $4, Students $3. Immerse yourself in the relaxing," {{link|url=http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Greenville_(South_Carolina)&diff=prev&oldid=710764}}
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| − | *August 14, 2007. "Tracking Wikipedia's Not-So-Neutral Editors." Web surfers can watch as an editor from Bob Jones University calls the campus museum “the great collection of religious art in the Western Hemisphere.” Comment #2: "The Bob Jones University Museum and Gallery may not “the great collection of religious art in the Western Hemisphere,” but there are few that surpass it in either quality or size. Sounds outrageous. It just happens to be true." — John Matzko Aug 16, 05:48 PM {{link|url=http://chronicle.com/wiredcampus/index.php?id=2302}}
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| − | *I once heard Richard Bushman discuss the BoA and eventually turned my eyes away from his because I was embarrassed for him.--John Foxe 22:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
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| − | *"...Bushman's a patriarch (as well as a super-nice guy)."--John Foxe 23:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lost_116_pages#Tweaks}}
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| − | *I have a better-than-average knowledge of the law, but I am not now, nor ever have been, a lawyer.--John Foxe 10:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
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| − | *Here I sit with a contract for a dead-tree encyclopedia article in front of me, with the amount of money they are going to pay me to write it, and I recall Bytebear characterizing my writing as "drivel." I'm going to revert to the earlier page, and I want him or someone else to tell me what about it is "drivel."--John Foxe 11:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_8#.22Drivel.22}}
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| − | *Ironically the encyclopedia piece in question deals with an aspect of the law....It would also be nice for Bytebear to apologize for calling my writing "drivel."--John Foxe 11:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_8#.22Drivel.22}}
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| − | *Matzko, John A., "'The Best Men of the Bar': The Founding of the American Bar Association," in The New High Priests: Lawyers in Post-Civil War America, edited by Gerard W. Gawalt, Westport, Conn.: Greenwood Press, 1984, pp. 75-96. {{link|url=http://www.answers.com/topic/american-bar-association}}
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| − | *(You may have heard the story of the chicken farmer who refused to press charges against the chicken thief because he didn't want to be associated with chicken thieves.) And there will be no sock puppetry or meat puppetry on my part. It would be nice to have an ally occasionally, but I won't stoop to creating or recruiting them. --John Foxe 11:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_Vision/Archive_8#Arbitration}}
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| − | *John "Foxe" welcomed John Matzko's son to Wikipedia. (11 March 2009) {{link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Austin_Matzko&diff=276584777&oldid=276583051}}
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