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===The Brethren have "little, if any time for deep study of controversial LDS Church history?"=== | ===The Brethren have "little, if any time for deep study of controversial LDS Church history?"=== | ||
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We have taught our children that Joseph translated using a "brown rock" called a "seer stone." | We have taught our children that Joseph translated using a "brown rock" called a "seer stone." | ||
| − | {{Epigraph|To help him with the translation, Joseph found with the gold plates “a curious instrument which the ancients called Urim and Thummim, which consisted of two transparent stones set in a rim of a bow fastened to a breastplate.” Joseph also used an egg-shaped, brown rock for translating called a seer stone.<br>—“A Peaceful Heart,” ''Friend'', Sep 1974, 7}} | + | {{Epigraph|To help him with the translation, Joseph found with the gold plates “a curious instrument which the ancients called Urim and Thummim, which consisted of two transparent stones set in a rim of a bow fastened to a breastplate.” Joseph also used an egg-shaped, brown rock for translating called a seer stone.<br>—[http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=5250e07368d9b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=21bc9fbee98db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD “A Peaceful Heart],” ''Friend'', Sep 1974, 7}} |
We have taught our children that there was a group of Mormons called the "Danites" who attacked non-members. | We have taught our children that there was a group of Mormons called the "Danites" who attacked non-members. | ||
| − | {{Epigraph|One Mormon, Sampson Avard, formed a group, called the Danites, to seek revenge on the Missourians. But when the Danites attacked the nonmembers, it only gave them more reason to distrust the Saints.<br>—Sherrie Johnson, “Persecutions in Missouri,” ''Friend'', Jul 1993, 47}} | + | {{Epigraph|One Mormon, Sampson Avard, formed a group, called the Danites, to seek revenge on the Missourians. But when the Danites attacked the nonmembers, it only gave them more reason to distrust the Saints.<br>—Sherrie Johnson, [http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=042555faa5cab010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=21bc9fbee98db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD “Persecutions in Missouri],” ''Friend'', Jul 1993, 47}} |
Yet, "StayLDS" insists that the ''General Authorities'' are "simply not aware of peep stones," or the Danites. | Yet, "StayLDS" insists that the ''General Authorities'' are "simply not aware of peep stones," or the Danites. | ||
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In the end, we are quite convinced that a majority of [the General Authorities] are simply not aware of peep stones, polyandry, Adam/God theory, blood atonement, the Danites, etc. Of course they have heard these terms throughout their lives, but they would have no real impetus, and most importantly, no time to study them deeply. They are super-busy men, and in their minds, the church is true -- so why dig much deeper? | In the end, we are quite convinced that a majority of [the General Authorities] are simply not aware of peep stones, polyandry, Adam/God theory, blood atonement, the Danites, etc. Of course they have heard these terms throughout their lives, but they would have no real impetus, and most importantly, no time to study them deeply. They are super-busy men, and in their minds, the church is true -- so why dig much deeper? | ||
</blockquote> | </blockquote> | ||
| − | + | So, are we to believe that the Church places these things in the official ''children's'' magazine, yet those leading the Church are ''unaware of its history? | |
{{ReadMore|Censorship and revision of LDS history}} | {{ReadMore|Censorship and revision of LDS history}} | ||
=Conclusion= | =Conclusion= | ||
*We object to the site's characterization of the Brethren as being primarily motivated to remain in the Church due to social status. | *We object to the site's characterization of the Brethren as being primarily motivated to remain in the Church due to social status. | ||
Revisão das 18h36min de 21 de julho de 2009
Website review: Staylds.com
Don't think of it as God's one and only true and perfect church while all others as abominations. If you think that way, the church will always fall short. Instead, think of it as a bunch of men (and a few women -- in terms of leadership) who are just trying their best to fulfill their callings while balancing work, family, and personal stuff -- and stumbling a great deal along the way. Don't think of its leaders as having a direct, telephone-like communication line with God. They probably don't.
—The author of Staylds.com (http://staylds.com/docs/HowToStay.html)
I have now served in the general councils of this Church for 45 years. I have served as an Assistant to the Twelve, as a member of the Twelve, as a Counselor in the First Presidency, and now for eight years as President. I want to give you my testimony that although I have sat in literally thousands of meetings where Church policies and programs have been discussed, I have never been in one where the guidance of the Lord was not sought nor where there was any desire on the part of anyone present to advocate or do anything which would be injurious or coercive to anyone. The book of Revelation declares: “I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth” (Revelations 3:15–16)....This is His work. He established it. He has revealed its doctrine. He has outlined its practices. He created its government. It is His work and His kingdom, and He has said, “They who are not for me are against me” (2 Nephi 10:16).
—Gordon B. Hinckley, “Loyalty,” Ensign, May 2003, 58
Overview
FAIR's evaluation of the web site Staylds.com
I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
—Rev. 3: 15-16
The website is a study in how to be a lukewarm member of the Church. We agree with the web site's evaluation of how some members are shaken as a result of their fundamentalist views. We do not agree with the formula presented for dealing with it.
The "Brethren's dilemma"
The site discusses what it calls the "the situation of LDS General Authorities," and implies that they are lying. It portrays General Authorities as remaining in the Church for the following reasons:
- The site claims that General Authorities are from multi-generational LDS families.
- The site claims that General Authorities' "social status" is inextricably tied to the "church's exclusive truthfulness."
- The site claims that General Authorities are too busy to study "controversial LDS Church history."
- They state that the Church "once made a sincere attempt at openness and full disclosure" of Church history, and then gave up because of "decreased activity and commitment."
- The site claims that General Authorities do not dispute anything taught by past Church leaders because they do not want to "erode their own basis of power and influence."
- The site casts doubt upon the Brethren's sincerity by stating "Assuming that the brethren are sincere believers in both the truthfulness of the church, and in its goodness," that they play a balancing game of member retention by deliberately avoiding tough questions.
It is significant to note that nothing in the list above credits the Brethren for being committed to the Church because they sincerely have testimonies of Jesus Christ and the work that they are performing. Consider Elder Dieter F. Uchtdorf's definition of a testimony. Elder Uchtdorf notes that,
The testimony of the truthfulness of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ is the most powerful motivating force in our lives. Jesus repeatedly emphasized the power of good thoughts and proper motives: “Look unto me in every thought; doubt not, fear not” (D&C 6:36)....a testimony of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ will always include these clear and simple truths
- God lives. He is our loving Father in Heaven, and we are His children.
- Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God and the Savior of the world.
- Joseph Smith is the prophet of God through whom the gospel of Jesus Christ was restored in the latter days.
- The Book of Mormon is the word of God.
- President Gordon B. Hinckley, his counselors, and the members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles are the prophets, seers, and revelators in our day.
—Dieter F. Uchtdorf, “The Power of a Personal Testimony,” Ensign, Nov 2006, 37–39 (emphasis added)
The "Brethren's dilemma" presented by the web site completely ignores the Brethren's own stated motivations for the work that they do, and therefore implies that they are lying. Elder Uchtdorf's description of his own motivations is quite at odds with that presented by the web site.
The Brethren have "little, if any time for deep study of controversial LDS Church history?"
Yet, the information has been made available to our children...
We have taught our children that Joseph translated using a "brown rock" called a "seer stone."
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We have taught our children that there was a group of Mormons called the "Danites" who attacked non-members.
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Yet, "StayLDS" insists that the General Authorities are "simply not aware of peep stones," or the Danites.
In the end, we are quite convinced that a majority of [the General Authorities] are simply not aware of peep stones, polyandry, Adam/God theory, blood atonement, the Danites, etc. Of course they have heard these terms throughout their lives, but they would have no real impetus, and most importantly, no time to study them deeply. They are super-busy men, and in their minds, the church is true -- so why dig much deeper?
So, are we to believe that the Church places these things in the official children's magazine, yet those leading the Church are unaware of its history?
Conclusion
- We object to the site's characterization of the Brethren as being primarily motivated to remain in the Church due to social status.