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A FAIR Analysis of: Becoming Gods A work by author: Richard Abanes
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One Nation Under Gods |
About this work
Overview
- There are no books from an evangelical perspective that responsibly interact with contemporary LDS scholarly and apologetic writings.
- —Paul Mosser and Carl Owen, "Mormon Scholarship, Apologetics and Evangelical Neglect: Losing the Battle and Not Know It?" Trinity Journal, 1998.
It is claimed that this book is an attempt to fill the void highlighted by Mosser and Owen. Unfortunately, what we find instead are the same misrepresentations and arguments that been offered in the past by anti-Mormon authors. There is nothing at all new here. This book could best be described as an Evangelical apologetic work against Mormonism. The book spends much time refuting LDS interpretation of scriptural passages in the Bible, often claiming that Mormons have misinterpreted the scriptures and that they require "deeper study." In fact, it is claimed that LDS scholars have only a superficial knowledge of the scriptures, at one time stating that "[p]roperly interpreting them is not as simple as reading today's newspaper" (p. 213).
Notable and Quotable
A summary of the painful manipulations required in order to circumscribe the meaning of the term "Christian" so that it excludes Latter-day Saints:
- Many evangelical books offer little help. Some are strident or mocking.
- —Richard Abanes, Becoming Gods, p. 11
- Mormons do in fact seek salvation within the historical person known to the world as Jesus of Nazareth, as they see him.
- —Richard Abanes, Becoming Gods, p. 265
- This does not mean that Mormons are "Christian" in an objective theological sense. It merely means there exists no other category in which they can be placed. Allowing for the broad viewpoint, however, opens up a large can of worms. What about the Branch Davidians, who called themselves "Christian" but stored illegal weapons, abused children, and murdered law enforcement officers? What about The Family, a "Christian" group that currently engages in premarital "sharing" with multiple partners and allows adultery with consent? How about so-called "Christian" witches? There are also a significant number of liberal "Christians"...who deny the virgin birth, the deity of Jesus, and Christ's physical resurrection. And let us not forget "Christian" nudists.
- —Richard Abanes, Becoming Gods, p. 265
- So if Daniel Peterson and Barry Bickmore, for example, have no problem being called "heretical Christians," then I have no problem obliging them.
- —Richard Abanes, Becoming Gods, p. 266
- When it comes to whether or not Mormons are Christian, a simple yes or no answer will never do.
- —Richard Abanes, Becoming Gods, p. 279
- Appeals Court Rules Mormon Church Is Outside Protestant Christian Faith. This ruling clearly agrees that Mormonism is outside Protestantism. And Mormonism is certainly not Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox. The ruling, of course, fails to answer the question: What is Mormonism? Given the fact that it is not Roman Catholic, or Eastern Orthodox, or Protestant, one can naturally extrapolate that Mormonism is not Christian.
- —Richard Abanes, blog post "Mormonism LEGALLY Declared Not Christian," October 9, 2008.
- (The following day, October 10, in response to a reader comment, the title of the blog entry was changed to read "Mormonism LEGALLY Declared Not Protestant." One poster compared the logic presented with the following: "And given the fact that San Diego is not Los Angeles, or San Francisco, or Sacramento, one can naturally extrapolate that San Diego is not in California.")
Claims made in this work
"Conversations" with "LDS believers"
The book uses an interesting (and annoying) method of illustrating a concept at the beginning of many chapters. Dialogues between the author and LDS "believers" are described. This method, of course, allows the LDS responses to conform to the point that is being made. Latter-day Saints who read these dialogues would certainly not entirely agree with what the "LDS believer" says.
A "Mormon bishop" who doesn't understand the Godhead?
Page | A "conversation" with a bishop | Commentary |
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107-108 |
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A conversation with "LDS friend, Cindy"
Page | A "conversation" with a LDS woman | Commentary |
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132 |
(emphasis added) |
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A "Mormon missionary" claims that the belief that Jesus paid for his sins is "not my faith?"
Page | A "conversation" with a LDS missionary named "Steven." | Commentary |
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177-178 |
(emphasis added) |
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The "Mormon Jesus" versus the "Traditional Jesus"
It would be enlightening for any Latter-day Saint to read the book's description of the "Mormon Jesus" in the left column and see just how much of this is recognizable as church doctrine. The list is taken from the endnotes on page 440, note 46. This claim was originally made in the author's earlier work One Nation Under Gods—"Mormon Beliefs About Jesus" versus "Christian Beliefs About Jesus", p. 378.
The "Mormon Jesus" | Jesus Christ, as viewed by Latter-day Saints | For more information... |
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A literal son (spirit-child) of a god (Elohim) and his wife. |
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The elder brother of all spirits born in the pre-existence to Heavenly Father. |
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One of three gods overseeing this planet. |
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Atoned only for Adam's transgression, thereby providing the opportunity for us to obtain "eternal life" by our own efforts. |
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The literal spirit brother of Lucifer. |
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Jesus' sacrificial death is not able to cleanse some people of all their sins. |
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There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God. |
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Endnotes
Further reading
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