Criticism of Mormonism/Books/One Nation Under Gods/Chapter 17

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Claims made in "Chapter 17: Is Mormonism Christian"

Page Claim Response Author's sources

375 epigraph (PB)

 "Gordon B. Hinckley (1998) President, Mormon Church"
  • There is no church called the "Mormon Church."
  • Perhaps in this epigraph to a chapter entitled "Is Mormonism Christian?", the author wished to avoid stating the true name of the Church: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
  • N/A

375, n3 (PB)

 The author presents his second significant reason that people join the Church as "the long-held Mormon notion that Latter-day Saints are innately better than non-Mormons."
  •  The author's claim is false
  • This claim actually originated with the Tanners. The author also quotes the Tanner's primary source. See: Jerald and Sandra Tanner, The Changing World of Mormonism (Moody Press, 1979), 27.( Index of claims ).
  • Unsurprisingly, there is no mention of gaining a testimony of the Book of Mormon mentioned among the many reasons the author presents for joining the Church—the reason most Latter-day Saints themselves would give.
  • Attitude to non-members
  • Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, 236.

376 (PB)

 "...the standard Mormon practice of not disclosing controversial doctrines to potential converts until they are well established within the church."
  • No source provided.

376 (PB)

 Early LDS founders took a "staunchly anti-Christian stance."
  • No source provided.

377, n8(PB)

 "God told Smith that the churches of Christendom "were all wrong;" that "all their creeds were an abomination;" and that Christian ministers "were all corrupt..."
  • Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith History 1:19

377 (PB)

 Smith said that all other churches "were founded by the devil" as representations of the "'great and abominable church' of the satanic world system."

377, 600n11-14 (PB)

 LDS leaders spent 150 years calling Christians "derogatory names" and insulting them.

378, 601n18-21

 The author presents a table contrasting "Mormon Beliefs About Jesus" with "Christian Beliefs About Jesus."

379 601n22(PB)

 President Hinckley "confessed that Mormons do not believe in the same 'Jesus' in which Christians believe."

379-380 601n23(PB)

 Bruce R. McConkie gave a speech in which he "discouraged" people from attempting to form a "personal relationship" with Christ. McConkie said, "[Y]ou have never heard one of the First Presidency or the Twelve...advocate this excessive zeal that calls for gaining a so-called special and personal relationship with Christ..."

380

 The "LDS teaching that there exists more than one god is refuted by numerous biblical passages..."

380

 "God will share His glory with no one."
  • These verses say God will not give his glory to another. That is, God will not cease to be God or decline in glory. But, the scriptures are clear that God will share his glory with others: "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne" (Revelation 3:21).
  • Deification of man

380, 601n25

 Paul said that "the natural (or physical) comes first, then comes the spiritual, yet Brigham Young said that "people are 'made first spiritual, and afterwards temporal [i.e. fleshly].'"

381, 601n26

 "The Christian gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus (1 Cor. 15:1-4). Compare this message with that of early LDS authority George Q. Cannon, who, after saying that the Saints believed in the "evolution of man until he shall become a god," revealed: "That is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, believed in by the Latter-day Saints."
  • It is absurd to imply that the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ is not central to Latter-day Saint belief.
  • Absurd claims
  • George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, vol. 1, 9.

383, 601n29

 The Bible's teachings are "dismissed whenever they contradict official LDS beliefs."
  •  Misrepresentation of source: Elder McConkie wrote simply that "The Church uses the King James Version of the Bible, but acceptance of the Bible is coupled with a reservation that it is true only insofar as translated correctly." Thus, the Bible is scripture, but if the translation or transmission of the text has been corrupted, why ought one to accept it?
  • Latter-day Saints may have a different interpretation of the Bible than the author, or his brand of Christianity. What makes his interpretation valid and another invalid? No two Christian denominations believe in all the same biblical readings.
  • Biblical_inerrancy
  • Textual_criticism
  • Bible complete and sufficient? / Sola scriptura
  • Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 764.

383-4, 601n31

 LDS leaders "were condemning the Bible..."
  • Orson Pratt, "The Bible and Tradition, without Further Revelation, an Insufficient Guide," Divine Authenticity fo the Book of Mormon—No. 3," December 1, 1850, 47. Reprinted in Orson Pratt, Orson Pratt's Works, vol. 2.

385

 "This new presentation of Mormonism as a 'Christian' organization has not only involved a dissemination of incomplete and deceptive information about LDS doctrines, but also a restriction of accurate information concerning Mormon beliefs."
  • Author's opinion

385, 601n37-38

 A "[F]aithful Mormon" was excommunicated for "accurately" explaining "Mormon doctrines and history" in a series of letters to various newspapers. He was told by his Church leader that "the general public had no business knowing about church doctrine or Mormon history" and that "we have an obligation to conceal our doctrines; that we are trying to be a mainstream Christian Church."
  • T. LaMar Sleight, letter to Michael Barrett. Quoted in Bill McKeever, "Excommunicated for Publicly Discussing Mormon Doctrine?", Mormonism Researched (Summer 1994), 3.

388

 "Hinckley has gone so far as to answer pointed doctrinal question in a manner not altogheter straightforward...Hinckley made an equally deceptive comment...Hinckley again was evasive...he feigned ignorance of key Mromon beliefs.
  • No source provided.

389, 603n45 (HB)

 Gordon B. Hinckley said: "None of you need worry because you read something that was incompletely reported. You need not worry that I do not understand some matters of doctrine. I think I understand them thoroughly."
  • Gordon B. Hinckley, October 1997 General Conference Address.

389

 "The masking of Mormonism has continued unabated...Mormonism's smoke-screen of words has served to greatly confuse observers..."

391, n53

 "Latter-day Saints, in order to appear Christian, have gone so far as to infiltrate mainstream Christian churches in an effort 'to convert Christian pastors to Mormonism, and thereby win not only one person, but the entire church to the LDS theology.'"
  • Rick Branch, "Mormon Church Infiltrates Christianity," Watchman Expositor, vol. 9, no. 3, 7.

393-400

 "[I]t behooves those interested in religious belief systems, in this case Mormonism, to understand the marks of a 'cult.'"
  • Various

400

 "[T]he LDS hierarchy will have to at some point, once and for all, completely sever its ties with Christianity. Only by taking such an approach will Mormonism be able to forever distance itself from the 'cult' label and claim for itself some degree of legitimacy and integrity in the eyes of many religion researchers, especially those adhering to the historic Christian faith."
  • Author's opinion.

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