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*This claim is also cited in ''Becoming Gods'' p. 38, 345n100. | *This claim is also cited in ''Becoming Gods'' p. 38, 345n100. | ||
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| − | | | + | The book repeatedly claims, citing Francis King, that Barrett's ''The Magus'' "played an important part in the English revival of magic." |
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*The author cites a work referring to an occult book that was not republished ''in England'' until fifty years after the publication of the Book of Mormon, yet does not inform the reader that this citation can have absolutely nothing to do with "early Mormonism." | *The author cites a work referring to an occult book that was not republished ''in England'' until fifty years after the publication of the Book of Mormon, yet does not inform the reader that this citation can have absolutely nothing to do with "early Mormonism." | ||
*"But what "revival of magic" is King discussing? The revival of the late, not the early, nineteenth century. This is clear from the fact that the only specific example of Barrett's influence on a magic revival that King discusses is Frederick Hockley, who reprinted Barrett's book in 1870." | *"But what "revival of magic" is King discussing? The revival of the late, not the early, nineteenth century. This is clear from the fact that the only specific example of Barrett's influence on a magic revival that King discusses is Frederick Hockley, who reprinted Barrett's book in 1870." | ||
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*Francis King, ''Magic: The Western Tradition'' (London: Thames and Hudson, 1975), 17. | *Francis King, ''Magic: The Western Tradition'' (London: Thames and Hudson, 1975), 17. | ||
*E.M. Butler, ''Ritual Magic'' (Cambridge, Eng.: Cambridge University Press, 1949), 254. | *E.M. Butler, ''Ritual Magic'' (Cambridge, Eng.: Cambridge University Press, 1949), 254. | ||
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*Nevill Drury, ''Dictionary of Mysticism and the Occult'' (San Francisco: Harper and Row, 1985), 25 | *Nevill Drury, ''Dictionary of Mysticism and the Occult'' (San Francisco: Harper and Row, 1985), 25 | ||
*''National Union Catalog of Pre-1956 Imprints'', 36:563. | *''National Union Catalog of Pre-1956 Imprints'', 36:563. | ||
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"...how extensively Barrett's Magus circulated in the United States during the early nineteenth century is unknown." | "...how extensively Barrett's Magus circulated in the United States during the early nineteenth century is unknown." | ||
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"... Barrett's Magus "created an immediate sensation. . . . Barrett's book and teachings were also widely available to Smith's generation [in America]." | "... Barrett's Magus "created an immediate sensation. . . . Barrett's book and teachings were also widely available to Smith's generation [in America]." | ||
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*The author provides no new citations or data between editions. Yet, he alters his claim—without evidence, and despite his cited sources—to suit his thesis. | *The author provides no new citations or data between editions. Yet, he alters his claim—without evidence, and despite his cited sources—to suit his thesis. | ||
*{{FARMSReview | author=William J. Hamblin| article=That Old Black Magic: Review of D. Michael Quinn. Early Mormonism and the Magic World View, revised and enlarged edition|vol=12|num=2|date=2000|start=225|end=394 }}[http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?table=review&id=364 *] | *{{FARMSReview | author=William J. Hamblin| article=That Old Black Magic: Review of D. Michael Quinn. Early Mormonism and the Magic World View, revised and enlarged edition|vol=12|num=2|date=2000|start=225|end=394 }}[http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?table=review&id=364 *] | ||
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*W. D. Bellhouse, "A Complete System of Magic," 38-39, manuscript (ca. 1852), Magic Collection, Mnuscript Division, New York Public Library, New York City, New York. | *W. D. Bellhouse, "A Complete System of Magic," 38-39, manuscript (ca. 1852), Magic Collection, Mnuscript Division, New York Public Library, New York City, New York. | ||
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| Claims made in "Chapter 2: Divining Rods, Treasure-Digging, and Seer Stones" | A FAIR Analysis of: Early Mormonism and the Magic World View A work by author: D. Michael Quinn
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Claims made in "Chapter 4: Magic Parchments and Occult Mentors" |
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Claim
Joseph is claimed to have considered the date April 6th to have "astrological significance" as the "DAY-FATAL-ITY."
Response
[needs work]
- This claim is also cited in Becoming Gods p. 38, 345n100.
84, 424 n145
Claim
The book repeatedly claims, citing Francis King, that Barrett's The Magus "played an important part in the English revival of magic."
Author's source(s)
- Francis King, Magic: The Western Tradition (London: Thames and Hudson, 1975), 17.
- E.M. Butler, Ritual Magic (Cambridge, Eng.: Cambridge University Press, 1949), 254.
- Cavendish, Man, Myth & Magic 2:221
- Nevill Drury, Dictionary of Mysticism and the Occult (San Francisco: Harper and Row, 1985), 25
- National Union Catalog of Pre-1956 Imprints, 36:563.
Response
- The author cites a work referring to an occult book that was not republished in England until fifty years after the publication of the Book of Mormon, yet does not inform the reader that this citation can have absolutely nothing to do with "early Mormonism."
- "But what "revival of magic" is King discussing? The revival of the late, not the early, nineteenth century. This is clear from the fact that the only specific example of Barrett's influence on a magic revival that King discusses is Frederick Hockley, who reprinted Barrett's book in 1870."
- William J. Hamblin, "That Old Black Magic (Review of Early Mormonism and the Magic World View, revised and enlarged edition, by D. Michael Quinn)," FARMS Review of Books 12/2 (2000): 225–394. [{{{url}}} off-site]
84, 424 n146
Claim
From the first edition (D. Michael Quinn, Early Mormonism and the Magic World View, (Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 1987), 67. [i.e. 1st edition]):
"...how extensively Barrett's Magus circulated in the United States during the early nineteenth century is unknown."
- From the second edition (D. Michael Quinn, Early Mormonism and the Magic World View, revised and enlarged edition, (Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 1998), 84. [i.e. 2nd edition]):
"... Barrett's Magus "created an immediate sensation. . . . Barrett's book and teachings were also widely available to Smith's generation [in America]."
"...how extensively Barrett's Magus circulated in the United States during the early nineteenth century is unknown."
"... Barrett's Magus "created an immediate sensation. . . . Barrett's book and teachings were also widely available to Smith's generation [in America]."
Author's source(s)
- W. D. Bellhouse, "A Complete System of Magic," 38-39, manuscript (ca. 1852), Magic Collection, Mnuscript Division, New York Public Library, New York City, New York.
Response
- The author provides no new citations or data between editions. Yet, he alters his claim—without evidence, and despite his cited sources—to suit his thesis.
- William J. Hamblin, "That Old Black Magic: Review of D. Michael Quinn. Early Mormonism and the Magic World View, revised and enlarged edition," FARMS Review of Books 12/2 (2000): 225–394.*