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*The next annual visit on September 22, 1827 would be, Smith told associates, his last chance to receive the plates. | *The next annual visit on September 22, 1827 would be, Smith told associates, his last chance to receive the plates. | ||
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*{{Harvtxt|Young|1855|p=180}}. | *{{Harvtxt|Young|1855|p=180}}. | ||
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+ | {{JDFAIRwiki|author=Brigham Young|vol=2|disc=32|start=179|end=180}}: | ||
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+ | I well knew a man who, to get the plates, rode over sixty miles three times the same season they were obtained by Joseph Smith. About the time of their being delivered to Joseph by the angel, the friends of this man sent for him, and informed him that they were going to lose that treasure, though they did not know what it was. The man I refer to was a fortune-teller, a necromancer, an astrologer, a soothsayer, and possessed as much talent as any man that walked on the American soil, and was one of the wickedest men I ever saw. The last time he went to obtain the treasure he knew where it was, and told where it was, but did not know its value. Allow me to tell you that a Baptist deacon and others of Joseph's neighbors were the very men who sent for this necromancer the last time he went for the treasure. I never heard a man who could swear like that astrologer; he swore scientifically, by rule, by note. To those who love swearing, it was musical to hear him, but not so to me, for I would leave his presence. He would call Joseph everything that was bad, and say, "I believe he will get the treasure after all." He did get it, and the war commenced directly. | ||
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*{{Harvtxt|Young|1855|pp=180–81}}. | *{{Harvtxt|Young|1855|pp=180–81}}. | ||
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*{{Harvtxt|Knight|1833|p=3}} (Saying Knight went to Rochester on business, and then passed back through Palmyra so that he could be there on [[September 22]]); {{Harvtxt|Smith|1853|p=99}} (Smith's mother, stating Knight and Stowell arrived there September 20, 1827 to inquire on business matters, but stayed at the Smith home until [[September 22]]). | *{{Harvtxt|Knight|1833|p=3}} (Saying Knight went to Rochester on business, and then passed back through Palmyra so that he could be there on [[September 22]]); {{Harvtxt|Smith|1853|p=99}} (Smith's mother, stating Knight and Stowell arrived there September 20, 1827 to inquire on business matters, but stayed at the Smith home until [[September 22]]). | ||
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− | *{{WikipediaCITE}} The cited sources do not refer to Knight and Stowell as Joseph's "loyal treasure hunting friends." Per Wikipedia guidelines, a statement such as this could only be used if it were an opinion expressed by a secondary source, and if it were clearly identified as an author's opinion. None of that has occurred in this case. This | + | *{{WikipediaCITE|editor=COgden|wikipedialink=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Golden_plates&diff=127229835&oldid=127225564}} The cited sources do not refer to Knight and Stowell as Joseph's "loyal treasure hunting friends." Per Wikipedia guidelines, a statement such as this could only be used if it were an opinion expressed by a secondary source, and if it were clearly identified as an author's opinion. None of that has occurred in this case. This addition by the wiki editor is an effort to re-emphasize treasure seeking in conjunction with the retrieval of the plates. |
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* Therefore, on the eve of September 22, 1827, the scheduled date for retrieving the plates, Smith dispatched his father to spy on Lawrence's house until dark. If Lawrence attempted to leave, the elder Joseph would have informed him that his son would "thrash the stumps with him" if he found him at the hill, but Lawrence never left his home. | * Therefore, on the eve of September 22, 1827, the scheduled date for retrieving the plates, Smith dispatched his father to spy on Lawrence's house until dark. If Lawrence attempted to leave, the elder Joseph would have informed him that his son would "thrash the stumps with him" if he found him at the hill, but Lawrence never left his home. | ||
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*{{Harvtxt|Smith|1853|p=100}}; {{Harvtxt|Salisbury|1895|p=15}} (Emma "didn't see the records, but she went with him"). | *{{Harvtxt|Smith|1853|p=100}}; {{Harvtxt|Salisbury|1895|p=15}} (Emma "didn't see the records, but she went with him"). | ||
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+ | *It should be noted that the hill was not named "Cumorah" until much later. | ||
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*{{Harvtxt|Smith|1853|p=101}}. Smith's friend Joseph Knight said Smith was even more fascinated by the Interpreters than the plates {{Harv|Knight|1833|p=3}}. | *{{Harvtxt|Smith|1853|p=101}}. Smith's friend Joseph Knight said Smith was even more fascinated by the Interpreters than the plates {{Harv|Knight|1833|p=3}}. | ||
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− | *Note that in this instance, Knight is not referred to as Joseph's "loyal treasure seeking" friend. | + | *Note that, at least in this instance, Knight is not referred to as Joseph's "loyal treasure seeking" friend. |
+ | *{{attn}} Check LMS history. Did Joseph or Lucy refer to the Nephite interpreters as the Urim and Thummim? | ||
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− | * Over the next few days, Smith took a well-digging job in nearby | + | * Over the next few days, Smith took a well-digging job in nearby Macedon to earn enough money to buy a solid lockable chest in which to put the plates. |
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*{{Harvtxt|Smith|1853|p=101}}. | *{{Harvtxt|Smith|1853|p=101}}. | ||
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* By then, however, some of Smith's treasure-seeking company had heard that Smith said he had been successful in obtaining the plates, and they wanted what they believed was their share of the profits from what they viewed as part of a joint venture in treasure hunting. | * By then, however, some of Smith's treasure-seeking company had heard that Smith said he had been successful in obtaining the plates, and they wanted what they believed was their share of the profits from what they viewed as part of a joint venture in treasure hunting. | ||
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+ | *{{attn}} Was it "Smith's" treasure-seeking company? | ||
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*{{Harvtxt|Smith|1853|pp=103–104}}. | *{{Harvtxt|Smith|1853|pp=103–104}}. | ||
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− | * Once home in | + | * Once home in Manchester, he said he walked to [[Cumorah]], removed the plates from their hiding place, and walked home through the woods and away from the road with the plates wrapped in a linen frock under his arm. |
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*{{Harvtxt|Smith|1853|pp=104–06}}. | *{{Harvtxt|Smith|1853|pp=104–06}}. | ||
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+ | *Again, the hill was not called "Cumorah" at this point in time. | ||
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− | * Smith sent his father, | + | * Smith sent his father, Joseph Knight, and Josiah Stowell to search for the pursuers, but they found no one. |
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*{{Harvtxt|Smith|1853|pp=105–06}}; {{Harvtxt|Salisbury|1895|p=15}}. | *{{Harvtxt|Smith|1853|pp=105–06}}; {{Harvtxt|Salisbury|1895|p=15}}. | ||
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− | * Fearing the chest might still be discovered, Smith hid it under the floor boards of his parents' old log home nearby, then being used as a | + | * Fearing the chest might still be discovered, Smith hid it under the floor boards of his parents' old log home nearby, then being used as a cooper shop. |
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− | *Later, Smith said he took the plates out of the chest, left the empty chest under the floor boards of the cooper shop, and hid the plates in a barrel of | + | *Later, Smith said he took the plates out of the chest, left the empty chest under the floor boards of the cooper shop, and hid the plates in a barrel of flax. Shortly thereafter the empty box was discovered and the place ransacked by Smith's former treasure-seeking associates, |
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*{{Harvtxt|Smith|1853|pp=107–09}}; {{Harvtxt|Harris|1859|p=167}}. | *{{Harvtxt|Smith|1853|pp=107–09}}; {{Harvtxt|Harris|1859|p=167}}. |
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