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* Edwin G. Goble and Wayne N. May, ''This Land, Zarahemla and the Nephite Nation: Only One Cumorah'' (Colfax, WI: Ancient American Archaeology Foundation, 2002). ISBN 0970398514. | * Edwin G. Goble and Wayne N. May, ''This Land, Zarahemla and the Nephite Nation: Only One Cumorah'' (Colfax, WI: Ancient American Archaeology Foundation, 2002). ISBN 0970398514. | ||
| + | * Note that while Wayne May continues to publish this book, Ed Goble has disclaimed the geography, and has not profited from the work since 2002.{{ref|goble.1}} He also disclaims the use of the fraudulent Soper-Savage and Burrows Cave "artifacts."{{ref|goble.2}} | ||
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| + | ===Plagiarism?=== | ||
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| + | Goble has also charged that Rod Meldrum ("Heartland model," "The FIRM Foundation") plagiarized elements from his geography without attribution.{{ref|goble.3}} | ||
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| + | Meldrum has replied: | ||
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| + | :“Seek first to understand, then to be understood” would be a good idea for this last post. You have obviously not seen Meldrum’s DVD as he has no Michigan artifacts in it and he came to his DNA conclusions long before encountering Wayne May.{{ref|dna.1}} | ||
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| + | This claim is false, since the Michigan forgeries are in the presentation.{{nc}} | ||
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| + | And later: | ||
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| + | :This geography was not plagerized from you at all, as you so indicated in your rant. You called ALL of the Great Lakes ‘Sea West’, you claim the ‘Nephite North’ is a highly skewed angle nearly making Lake Ontario and Lake Erie north/south of each other (see p.75 of your book) which completely changes your geographic ideas. I do not espouse either of these arguements. If you had seen the DVD, you would have known that out geographies are substantially different, if not unrelated. Your unsubstantiated claim that I copied your geography is not true. I began to research North American geographies after I had worked on the DNA evidence. I had come to many preliminary conclusions prior to my meeting Wayne May. I found his geographic ideas were the closest to what I had found, and so went to one of his presentations to learn more. Again I am being accused without evidence in fact. I agree with you, your geography doesn’t work and I don’t blame you for abandoning it. The proposed geography of my DVD has many things that need to be addressed as well, and I am hoping for competent help in establishing a more complete understanding.{{ref|meldrum.1}} | ||
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| + | It has, however, been pointed out that Meldrum's enthusiasm for Goble's book was much greater than his statements might lead us to believe: | ||
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| + | ==Endnotes== | ||
| + | #{{note|goble.1}} Ed Goble, comment on FAIR blog, (18 Sept 2008, 8h24) {{link|url=http://www.fairblog.org/2008/09/03/examining-the-secular-side/#comment-6367}} | ||
| + | #{{note|goble.2}} Ed Goble, comment on FAIR blog, (5 Sept 2008, 20h22) {{link|url=http://www.fairblog.org/2008/09/03/examining-the-secular-side/#comment-5404}} | ||
| + | #{{note|goble.3}} Ed Goble, comment on FAIR blog, (5 Sept 2008, 20h22) {{link|url=http://www.fairblog.org/2008/09/03/examining-the-secular-side/#comment-5404}} | ||
| + | #{{note|dna.1}} DNA Truthseeker [Rod Meldrum], MADB message board post (12 May 2008, 2h11) {{link|url=http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index.php?s=e910b125dec2ff3fb142c3d599a7f495&showtopic=35020&st=20&p=1208425876&#entry1208425876}} | ||
| + | #{{note|meldrum.1}} Rod Meldrum, comment on FAIR blog, (8 Sept 2008, 19h24) {{link|url=http://www.fairblog.org/2008/09/03/examining-the-secular-side/#comment-5609}} | ||
Revision as of 17:22, 7 April 2009
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- Edwin G. Goble and Wayne N. May, This Land, Zarahemla and the Nephite Nation: Only One Cumorah (Colfax, WI: Ancient American Archaeology Foundation, 2002). ISBN 0970398514.
- Note that while Wayne May continues to publish this book, Ed Goble has disclaimed the geography, and has not profited from the work since 2002.[1] He also disclaims the use of the fraudulent Soper-Savage and Burrows Cave "artifacts."[2]
Plagiarism?
Goble has also charged that Rod Meldrum ("Heartland model," "The FIRM Foundation") plagiarized elements from his geography without attribution.[3]
Meldrum has replied:
- “Seek first to understand, then to be understood” would be a good idea for this last post. You have obviously not seen Meldrum’s DVD as he has no Michigan artifacts in it and he came to his DNA conclusions long before encountering Wayne May.[4]
This claim is false, since the Michigan forgeries are in the presentation.[citation needed]
And later:
- This geography was not plagerized from you at all, as you so indicated in your rant. You called ALL of the Great Lakes ‘Sea West’, you claim the ‘Nephite North’ is a highly skewed angle nearly making Lake Ontario and Lake Erie north/south of each other (see p.75 of your book) which completely changes your geographic ideas. I do not espouse either of these arguements. If you had seen the DVD, you would have known that out geographies are substantially different, if not unrelated. Your unsubstantiated claim that I copied your geography is not true. I began to research North American geographies after I had worked on the DNA evidence. I had come to many preliminary conclusions prior to my meeting Wayne May. I found his geographic ideas were the closest to what I had found, and so went to one of his presentations to learn more. Again I am being accused without evidence in fact. I agree with you, your geography doesn’t work and I don’t blame you for abandoning it. The proposed geography of my DVD has many things that need to be addressed as well, and I am hoping for competent help in establishing a more complete understanding.[5]
It has, however, been pointed out that Meldrum's enthusiasm for Goble's book was much greater than his statements might lead us to believe:
Endnotes
- [note] Ed Goble, comment on FAIR blog, (18 Sept 2008, 8h24) off-site
- [note] Ed Goble, comment on FAIR blog, (5 Sept 2008, 20h22) off-site
- [note] Ed Goble, comment on FAIR blog, (5 Sept 2008, 20h22) off-site
- [note] DNA Truthseeker [Rod Meldrum], MADB message board post (12 May 2008, 2h11) off-site
- [note] Rod Meldrum, comment on FAIR blog, (8 Sept 2008, 19h24) off-site