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− | ||"several days after Orson Pratt, Sidney Rigdon, and Ebenezer Robinson declined to affirm Smith's good character…." | + | || |
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*The three were Pratt, Rigdon, and '''George W.''' Robinson, not Ebenezer. (See Manuscript History, 29 August 1842; ''History of the Church'' 5:139; Faulring, ''American Prophet's Record'', 254). | *The three were Pratt, Rigdon, and '''George W.''' Robinson, not Ebenezer. (See Manuscript History, 29 August 1842; ''History of the Church'' 5:139; Faulring, ''American Prophet's Record'', 254). | ||
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+ | *Governor Carlin described the Nauvoo statute on writs as an "extraordinary assumption of power….most absurd and ridiculous…[a] gross usurpation of power that cannot be tolerated." | ||
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*Carlin may not have agreed, but this does not mean that the law was reckless or irresponsible. | *Carlin may not have agreed, but this does not mean that the law was reckless or irresponsible. | ||
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+ | *The Nauvoo charter is claimed to be "the basis for this presumption of independence from state jurisdiction…." | ||
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*The author again gives no hint that the Mormons were being anything but "presumptuous," when in fact the legal arguments of the day were likely in their favor. | *The author again gives no hint that the Mormons were being anything but "presumptuous," when in fact the legal arguments of the day were likely in their favor. | ||
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+ | *The author claims that it is "interesting" that ''The Peace Maker'', a non-member's defence of polygamy, "appeared during the hiatus in the erstwhile marriage frenzy of 1842 and while Smith's apostles were traveling the countryside to counter Bennett's words and deny polygamy." | ||
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*The author does not discuss the many differences between The Peace Maker and LDS doctrine. | *The author does not discuss the many differences between The Peace Maker and LDS doctrine. | ||
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+ | *The book claims that Latter-day Saints were expelled from Illinois "primarily because of the dominant sense they betrayed public trust." | ||
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*The author here over-simplifies an extremely complex issue, with no references or argument. See: | *The author here over-simplifies an extremely complex issue, with no references or argument. See: | ||
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− | ||Joseph's "summer 1842 call for an intimate visit from Sarah Ann Whitney…substantiate[s] the intimate relationships he was involved in during those two years." | + | || |
+ | *Joseph's "summer 1842 call for an intimate visit from Sarah Ann Whitney…substantiate[s] the intimate relationships he was involved in during those two years." | ||
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*Again, Sarah Ann distortion. | *Again, Sarah Ann distortion. | ||
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+ | *The author claims that the ''History of the Church'' "predictably gives no notice of these weddings." | ||
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+ | *The "pretended marriage" of Joseph Kingsbury to the polygamously-married Sarah Ann Whitney is postulated by the author to "have been a precaution against possible pregnancy." | ||
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− | ||Lucy Walker "told Joseph she required a revelation before she would submit [to plural marriage]. He promised that if she prayed, she would receive her own personal manifestation from God, which she reported she received 'near dawn after—a sleepless night"—when a "heavenly influence" and feeling of "supreme happiness…took possession" of her." | + | || |
+ | *Lucy Walker "told Joseph she required a revelation before she would submit [to plural marriage]. He promised that if she prayed, she would receive her own personal manifestation from God, which she reported she received 'near dawn after—a sleepless night"—when a "heavenly influence" and feeling of "supreme happiness…took possession" of her." | ||
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*Smith provides the bare minimum of the story; Lucy's account is more impressive and powerful than these few fragments suggest. | *Smith provides the bare minimum of the story; Lucy's account is more impressive and powerful than these few fragments suggest. | ||
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+ | *The author presumes that financial and marital issues, "especially concerning the Lawrence sisters" would eventually "inflame public opinion" and result in Joseph's arrest. | ||
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The author does not tell us that Madsen's work (which he cites for his claim) demonstrates that Joseph properly discharged all his financial duties as guardians of the Lawrence estate. The author completely ignores the primary documents on this issue, and relies only on Law's hostile, and demonstrably false, account. | The author does not tell us that Madsen's work (which he cites for his claim) demonstrates that Joseph properly discharged all his financial duties as guardians of the Lawrence estate. The author completely ignores the primary documents on this issue, and relies only on Law's hostile, and demonstrably false, account. | ||
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+ | *The author speculates that there existed a "conflict of interests between building a church community and [Joseph's] continuing affection for young women." | ||
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*Smith commonly exploits the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentism_(literary_and_historical_analysis) presentist fallacy] in the matter of Joseph's wives' ages. | *Smith commonly exploits the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentism_(literary_and_historical_analysis) presentist fallacy] in the matter of Joseph's wives' ages. | ||
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+ | *The author claims that Joseph was "pursuing" Helen Mar Kimball. | ||
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− | ||Helen's biographer concludes that she 'expected her marriage to Joseph Smith' to be a ceremony 'for eternity only,' not an actual marriage involving physical relations. | + | || |
+ | *Helen's biographer concludes that she 'expected her marriage to Joseph Smith' to be a ceremony 'for eternity only,' not an actual marriage involving physical relations. | ||
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*There is no evidence for physical relations in Helen's marriage to Joseph. The source cited, Compton, does not agree with the author's reading: “there is absolutely no evidence that there was any sexuality in the marriage, and I suggest that, following later practice in Utah, there may have been no sexuality. All the evidence points to this marriage as a primarily dynastic marriage.”{{ref|compton1}} | *There is no evidence for physical relations in Helen's marriage to Joseph. The source cited, Compton, does not agree with the author's reading: “there is absolutely no evidence that there was any sexuality in the marriage, and I suggest that, following later practice in Utah, there may have been no sexuality. All the evidence points to this marriage as a primarily dynastic marriage.”{{ref|compton1}} | ||
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+ | *The author claims that Helen Mar Kimball was surprised to discover "that it included [marriage for] time also: a physical union at age fourteen with a thirty-seven year-old man." | ||
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*The author again distorts the source. The surprise was not in finding that she needed to have "a physical union," but that she was regarded as married, and so could not date others her age while Joseph was alive. | *The author again distorts the source. The surprise was not in finding that she needed to have "a physical union," but that she was regarded as married, and so could not date others her age while Joseph was alive. | ||
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− | ||"As she put her ambivalent feelings into verse in her "Reminiscences," Helen had "thought through this life my time will be my own," but "the step I am now taking's for eternity alone." She saw her "youthful friends grow shy and cold" as "poisonous darts from sland'rous tongues were hurled." She was "bar'd out from social scenes by this destiny," and faced "sad'nd mem'ries of sweet departed joys" | + | || |
+ | *{{AuthorQuote|"As she put her ambivalent feelings into verse in her "Reminiscences," Helen had "thought through this life my time will be my own," but "the step I am now taking's for eternity alone." She saw her "youthful friends grow shy and cold" as "poisonous darts from sland'rous tongues were hurled." She was "bar'd out from social scenes by this destiny," and faced "sad'nd mem'ries of sweet departed joys"}} | ||
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*This poem in fact demonstrates the author's distortion. Her concern was indeed that she was "bar'd out from social scenes"—she could not date while married. This does not mean, however, that there were sexual relations, and the author's source agrees. | *This poem in fact demonstrates the author's distortion. Her concern was indeed that she was "bar'd out from social scenes"—she could not date while married. This does not mean, however, that there were sexual relations, and the author's source agrees. |
Revision as of 22:14, 18 March 2009
Chapter 2 (pp. 108-255) | A FAIR Analysis of: Criticism of Mormonism/Books A work by author: George D. Smith
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Nauvoo city charter (edit) |
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Whitney "love letter" (edit) |
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Censorship of Church History (edit) | |
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Whitney "love letter" (edit) |
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The author does not tell us that Madsen's work (which he cites for his claim) demonstrates that Joseph properly discharged all his financial duties as guardians of the Lawrence estate. The author completely ignores the primary documents on this issue, and relies only on Law's hostile, and demonstrably false, account.
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Ages of wives (edit) |
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Womanizing & romance (edit) | |
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"That [Rhoda Richards] was her husband Brigham's cousin was apparently secondary to the grander scheme of interlocking the hierarchy in marriage." |
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"Even though Smith and Clayton spent three hours preparing the eloquent language" of D&C 132…. |
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"Smith found it useful to reference the conditional restriction on marriage found in the Book of Mormon." |
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Joseph Smith: cynical motivations (edit) |
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The author intends Joseph to be seen as arrogant. He quotes a letter from Joseph to James Arlington Bennet:
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The author again quotes Joseph: "‘I am learned, and know more than all the world put together." |
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"There is no reason to doubt that Smith's marriages involved sexual relations in most instances." |
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"Mary Elizabeth Lightner spoke of 'three children' whom she said she 'knew he had.'" |
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"Until decisive DNA testing of possible Smith descendants—daughters as well as sons—from plural wives can be accomplished, ascertaining whether Smith fathered children with any of his plural wives remains hypothetical." |
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"In 1841, Sarah Pratt firmly rebuffed Smith and remained monogamously committed to her missionary husband." |
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"Cordelia C. Morley Cox….had rejected [Joseph's] amorous proposal." |
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Eliza Winters “perhaps did not” resist Joseph’s advances “but apparently talked about it all the same.” |
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"According to LDS theology, the posthumous sealing meant that Heber would be Smith's son in the eternities, not the son of his biological father." |
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Sealing takes away families? (edit) |
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[In 1831 Joseph] "directed missionaries to marry native American women." |
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The author hints that Emma would have to sneak up on Joseph to check up on him, as evidenced by “his warning to Sarah Ann to proceed carefully in order to make sure Emma would not find them in their hiding place.” |
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Whitney "love letter" (edit) |
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G. D. Smith asks us to “assume . . . that LeRoi Snow’s account [about Emma and Eliza and the stairs] was accurate.” |
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Emma, Eliza & stairs (edit) |
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"Just as Joseph sought comfort from Sarah Ann the day Emma departed from his hideout…." |
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Whitney "love letter" (edit) |
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Joseph's "insatiable addition of one woman after another to an invisible family…." |
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Womanizing & romance (edit) |
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Joseph had a "prolonged dalliance with Fanny Alger." |
Ignoring Hancock autobiography (edit) Fanny Alger (edit) Womanizing & romance (edit) |
Endnotes
- [note] Todd M. Compton, “Response to Tanners,” post to LDS Bookshelf mailing list (no date), <http://www.lds-mormon.com/compton.shtml> (accessed 2 December 2008). Compare with Smith, Nauvoo Polygamy, 198–202, 302, 362 and Compton, In Sacred Loneliness, 14.
- [note] See Smith, An Intimate Chronicle, 558; see also History of the Church 5:xxxii; citing William Clayton, affidavit, 16 February 1874, Salt Lake City, Utah; originally published in Andrew Jenson, "Plural Marriage," Historical Record 6 (May 1887): 224-226.
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