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===Jesus Christ's conception===
 
The author makes similar claims in his earlier book [[One Nation Under Gods#Conception of Jesus Christ|''One Nation Under Gods'']].
 
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|184||"Until recently, the common belief clearly implied throughout the history of Mormonism...was that Jesus' conception occurred '''via sexual intercourse''' between Heavenly Father (Elohim) and Mary." {{ea}}
 
||Let's look at 1 Nephi 11:14-33 and see what the book does ''not'' include. Verses that were omitted are in bold:
 
 
14 And it came to pass that I saw the heavens open; and an angel came down and stood before me; and he said unto me: Nephi, what beholdest thou?
 
 
'''15 And I said unto him: A virgin, most beautiful and fair above all other virgins.'''
 
 
16 And he said unto me: Knowest thou the condescension of God?
 
 
17 And I said unto him: I know that he loveth his children; nevertheless, I do not know the meaning of all things.
 
 
18 And he said unto me: Behold, the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of the Son of God, after the manner of the flesh.
 
 
'''19 And it came to pass that I beheld that she was carried away in the Spirit; and after she had been carried away in the Spirit for the space of a time the angel spake unto me, saying: Look!
 
 
20 And I looked and beheld the virgin again, bearing a child in her arms.
 
 
'''21 And the angel said unto me: Behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Son of the Eternal Father! Knowest thou the meaning of the tree which thy father saw?''' 
 
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|185||[Brigham] went so far as to say that, although the New Testament's Joseph did not have another wife, Mary "had another husband." And that husband, said Young, was Heavenly Father, who impregnated Mary "instead of letting any other man do it."
 
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*"The man Joseph, the husband of Mary, did not, that we know of, have more than one wife, but Mary the wife of Joseph had another husband. On this account infidels have called the Savior a bastard. This is merely a human opinion upon one of '''the inscrutable doings of the Almighty'''. That very babe that was cradled in the manger, '''was begotten''', not by Joseph, the husband of Mary, but by another Being. Do you inquire by whom? '''He was begotten by God our heavenly Father'''." {{ea}}
 
 
*"When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle '''the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it'''. The Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same Being who is the Father of our spirits, and that is all the organic difference between Jesus Christ and you and me." {{ea}}
 
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*Brigham Young, [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Journal_of_Discourses/Volume_11/Delegate_Hooper%E2%80%94Beneficial_Effects_of_Polygamy,_etc. ''Journal of Discourses'' 11:268]
 
*Brigham Young, [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Journal_of_Discourses/Volume_4/To_Know_God_is_Eternal_Life,_etc. ''Journal of Discourses'' 4:218]
 
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'''Commentary'''
 
*The book somehow uses 1 Nephi 11 as support for the idea that "sexual intercourse" between Heavenly Father and Mary was taught "until recently." Notice how the book skips over verse 19, which clearly says that Mary "was carried away in the Spirit."
 
*Brigham Young's statement in ''Journal of Discourses'' 11:268 refers to the event as "one of the inscrutable doings of the Almighty." Brigham does refer to Jesus being "begotten" of the Father, but there are plenty of scriptural references to Jesus being the "only begotten son" of our Heavenly Father.
 
*Brigham's second statement again refers to Jesus being "begotten" of the Father, who "favored that spirit with a tabernacle." The exact method by which this was accomplished is assumed by the book to be a sexual union. In this day and age, however, one ought to realize that there are ways to conceive a child that do not involve a sexual union. Although Brigham would not have known this, our Heavenly Father most certainly would have.
 
*See also: [[Jesus Christ's conception]]
 
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===Comparing population sizes at the beginning and end of a 1000-year period?===
 
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A FAIR Analysis of:
Becoming Gods
A work by author: Richard Abanes

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There are no books from an evangelical perspective that responsibly interact with contemporary LDS scholarly and apologetic writings.
—Paul Mosser and Carl Owen, "Mormon Scholarship, Apologetics and Evangelical Neglect: Losing the Battle and Not Know It?" Trinity Journal, 1998.

It is claimed that this book is an attempt to fill the void highlighted by Mosser and Owen. Unfortunately, what we find instead are the same misrepresentations and arguments that been offered in the past by anti-Mormon authors. There is nothing at all new here. This book could best be described as an Evangelical apologetic work against Mormonism. The book spends much time refuting LDS interpretation of scriptural passages in the Bible, often claiming that Mormons have misinterpreted the scriptures and that they require "deeper study." In fact, it is claimed that LDS scholars have only a superficial knowledge of the scriptures, at one time stating that "[p]roperly interpreting them is not as simple as reading today's newspaper" (p. 213).

Notable and Quotable

A summary of the painful manipulations required in order to circumscribe the meaning of the term "Christian" so that it excludes Latter-day Saints:

Many evangelical books offer little help. Some are strident or mocking.
—Richard Abanes, Becoming Gods, p. 11
Mormons do in fact seek salvation within the historical person known to the world as Jesus of Nazareth, as they see him.
—Richard Abanes, Becoming Gods, p. 265
This does not mean that Mormons are "Christian" in an objective theological sense. It merely means there exists no other category in which they can be placed. Allowing for the broad viewpoint, however, opens up a large can of worms. What about the Branch Davidians, who called themselves "Christian" but stored illegal weapons, abused children, and murdered law enforcement officers? What about The Family, a "Christian" group that currently engages in premarital "sharing" with multiple partners and allows adultery with consent? How about so-called "Christian" witches? There are also a significant number of liberal "Christians"...who deny the virgin birth, the deity of Jesus, and Christ's physical resurrection. And let us not forget "Christian" nudists.
—Richard Abanes, Becoming Gods, p. 265
So if Daniel Peterson and Barry Bickmore, for example, have no problem being called "heretical Christians," then I have no problem obliging them.
—Richard Abanes, Becoming Gods, p. 266
When it comes to whether or not Mormons are Christian, a simple yes or no answer will never do.
—Richard Abanes, Becoming Gods, p. 279
Appeals Court Rules Mormon Church Is Outside Protestant Christian Faith. This ruling clearly agrees that Mormonism is outside Protestantism. And Mormonism is certainly not Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox. The ruling, of course, fails to answer the question: What is Mormonism? Given the fact that it is not Roman Catholic, or Eastern Orthodox, or Protestant, one can naturally extrapolate that Mormonism is not Christian.
—Richard Abanes, blog post "Mormonism LEGALLY Declared Not Christian," October 9, 2008.
(The following day, October 10, in response to a reader comment, the title of the blog entry was changed to read "Mormonism LEGALLY Declared Not Protestant." One poster compared the logic presented with the following: "And given the fact that San Diego is not Los Angeles, or San Francisco, or Sacramento, one can naturally extrapolate that San Diego is not in California.")

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