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*Author: "Look, I can appreciate a lot of things about Mormon ethics and morality, but we disagree on some highly important matters when it comes to God."
 
*Bishop: "Like what?"
 
*Author: "Well, for example, I believe there exists only one God. Mormons, however, believe there exists more than one God, and&mdash;"
 
*Bishop: "Wait a minute. That is not true. We believe in only one God."
 
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*Author: It didn't matter that I had shown her verse after verse in the Bible clearly stating that God is not a man...
 
*Author: "Can you really not see what I am trying to say?"
 
*"LDS" Cindy: "Okay, I see what you're saying. But it doesn't matter."
 
*Author: "So you're still going to remain a Mormon, even though I have shown you&mdash;and you have admitted&mdash;that the Bible does not teach that God is a man?"
 
*"LDS" Cindy: "Yes."
 
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*Author: "But why? '''Why would you remain faithful to the Mormon god if that is not the God clearly talked about in the Bible?'''"
 
*Author: "But why? '''Why would you remain faithful to the Mormon god if that is not the God clearly talked about in the Bible?'''"
 
*"LDS" Cindy: '''"Because I like the Mormon God. I like the idea of God being a man just like us."'''
 
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*Author: "I know I'm going to heaven when I die...How about you?"
 
*Elder "Steve": "I hope...I hope that if I work hard enough, learn all I can learn, and do all I can do, then maybe Heavenly Father will grant me a place in the Celestial Kingdom&mdash;if I'm worthy."
 
*Author: "You&mdash;worthy of heaven?...Man, I can already tell you that's never going to happen."
 
*Elder "Steve": "Yeah, You're probably right."
 
*Author: "Seriously, how can you live like that? I mean, no one is worthy of eternal life. All you gotta do is look around to know that. The Bible says we're saved by grace, Steve. It's all God."
 
*Elder "Steve": "Yeah...well, the Book of Mormon says we're saved after all we can do."
 
*Author: "But how can you ever know if you've really done all you can do?"
 
*Elder "Steve": I guess I can't. Maybe that' why I'm so stressed all the time."
 
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*Author: '''"That's why we need Jesus. He did it all for us. Paid the price for our sins. Cancelled out the debt against us. Opened up a way, free and clear, to eternal life."
 
*Author: '''"That's why we need Jesus. He did it all for us. Paid the price for our sins. Cancelled out the debt against us. Opened up a way, free and clear, to eternal life."
 
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==The "Mormon Jesus" versus the "Traditional Jesus"==
 
==The "Mormon Jesus" versus the "Traditional Jesus"==
 
It would be enlightening for any Latter-day Saint to read the book's description of the "Mormon Jesus" in the left column and see just how much of this is recognizable as church doctrine. The list is taken from the endnotes on page 440, note 46. This claim was originally made in the author's earlier work [[One Nation Under Gods#"Mormon Beliefs About Jesus" versus "Christian Beliefs About Jesus"|''One Nation Under Gods''&mdash;"Mormon Beliefs About Jesus" versus "Christian Beliefs About Jesus"]], p. 378.
 
It would be enlightening for any Latter-day Saint to read the book's description of the "Mormon Jesus" in the left column and see just how much of this is recognizable as church doctrine. The list is taken from the endnotes on page 440, note 46. This claim was originally made in the author's earlier work [[One Nation Under Gods#"Mormon Beliefs About Jesus" versus "Christian Beliefs About Jesus"|''One Nation Under Gods''&mdash;"Mormon Beliefs About Jesus" versus "Christian Beliefs About Jesus"]], p. 378.

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A FAIR Analysis of:
Becoming Gods
A work by author: Richard Abanes

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Overview

There are no books from an evangelical perspective that responsibly interact with contemporary LDS scholarly and apologetic writings.
—Paul Mosser and Carl Owen, "Mormon Scholarship, Apologetics and Evangelical Neglect: Losing the Battle and Not Know It?" Trinity Journal, 1998.

It is claimed that this book is an attempt to fill the void highlighted by Mosser and Owen. Unfortunately, what we find instead are the same misrepresentations and arguments that been offered in the past by anti-Mormon authors. There is nothing at all new here. This book could best be described as an Evangelical apologetic work against Mormonism. The book spends much time refuting LDS interpretation of scriptural passages in the Bible, often claiming that Mormons have misinterpreted the scriptures and that they require "deeper study." In fact, it is claimed that LDS scholars have only a superficial knowledge of the scriptures, at one time stating that "[p]roperly interpreting them is not as simple as reading today's newspaper" (p. 213).

Notable and Quotable

A summary of the painful manipulations required in order to circumscribe the meaning of the term "Christian" so that it excludes Latter-day Saints:

Many evangelical books offer little help. Some are strident or mocking.
—Richard Abanes, Becoming Gods, p. 11
Mormons do in fact seek salvation within the historical person known to the world as Jesus of Nazareth, as they see him.
—Richard Abanes, Becoming Gods, p. 265
This does not mean that Mormons are "Christian" in an objective theological sense. It merely means there exists no other category in which they can be placed. Allowing for the broad viewpoint, however, opens up a large can of worms. What about the Branch Davidians, who called themselves "Christian" but stored illegal weapons, abused children, and murdered law enforcement officers? What about The Family, a "Christian" group that currently engages in premarital "sharing" with multiple partners and allows adultery with consent? How about so-called "Christian" witches? There are also a significant number of liberal "Christians"...who deny the virgin birth, the deity of Jesus, and Christ's physical resurrection. And let us not forget "Christian" nudists.
—Richard Abanes, Becoming Gods, p. 265
So if Daniel Peterson and Barry Bickmore, for example, have no problem being called "heretical Christians," then I have no problem obliging them.
—Richard Abanes, Becoming Gods, p. 266
When it comes to whether or not Mormons are Christian, a simple yes or no answer will never do.
—Richard Abanes, Becoming Gods, p. 279
Appeals Court Rules Mormon Church Is Outside Protestant Christian Faith. This ruling clearly agrees that Mormonism is outside Protestantism. And Mormonism is certainly not Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox. The ruling, of course, fails to answer the question: What is Mormonism? Given the fact that it is not Roman Catholic, or Eastern Orthodox, or Protestant, one can naturally extrapolate that Mormonism is not Christian.
—Richard Abanes, blog post "Mormonism LEGALLY Declared Not Christian," October 9, 2008.
(The following day, October 10, in response to a reader comment, the title of the blog entry was changed to read "Mormonism LEGALLY Declared Not Protestant." One poster compared the logic presented with the following: "And given the fact that San Diego is not Los Angeles, or San Francisco, or Sacramento, one can naturally extrapolate that San Diego is not in California.")

Claims made in this work


"Conversations" with "LDS believers"

The book uses an interesting (and annoying) method of illustrating a concept at the beginning of many chapters. Dialogues between the author and LDS "believers" are described. This method, of course, allows the LDS responses to conform to the point that is being made. Latter-day Saints who read these dialogues would certainly not entirely agree with what the "LDS believer" says.

A "Mormon bishop" who doesn't understand the Godhead?

Page A "conversation" with a bishop Commentary
107-108
  • Author: "Don't you believe the Father is a god?"
  • Bishop: "Yes, of course."
  • Author: "And the Son is a god?"
  • Bishop: "Yes"
  • Author: "And the Holy Ghost is a god."
  • Bishop: "Yes"
  • Author: "That's three gods."
  • Bishop: "No, they're one God."
  • Author: "But you just said each one is a god."
  • Bishop: "Yes"
  • Author: "Then, that's three."
  • Bishop: "No, that's one"

(emphasis added)

  • This is a bizarre manipulation of LDS belief.
  • Imagine if the roles were reversed, with the "Mormon bishop" asking an Evangelical Christian these questions. It is hard to believe that the concept of the Trinity would produce a different set of answers.
  • Note that the book does not have the "Mormon bishop" state that the three are "one in purpose," as any bishop would.

A conversation with "LDS friend, Cindy"

Page A "conversation" with a LDS woman Commentary
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  • Author: "But why? Why would you remain faithful to the Mormon god if that is not the God clearly talked about in the Bible?"
  • "LDS" Cindy: "Because I like the Mormon God. I like the idea of God being a man just like us."

(emphasis added)

  • This conversation would lead us to believe that a LDS woman "admitted" that she worships the "Mormon god" rather than the God of the Bible.

A "Mormon missionary" claims that the belief that Jesus paid for his sins is "not my faith?"

Page A "conversation" with a LDS missionary named "Steven." Commentary
177-178
  • Author: "That's why we need Jesus. He did it all for us. Paid the price for our sins. Cancelled out the debt against us. Opened up a way, free and clear, to eternal life."
  • Elder "Steve": "That sounds nice. But that's not my faith."

(emphasis added)

  • Latter-day Saints certainly agree that they need Jesus, believe that He paid the price for our sins, cancelled out the debt against us and opened up the way to eternal life. This conversation wants us to believe that a LDS missionary claimed "that's not my faith?"
  • The issue here is the phrase "free and clear."
  • The conversation is structured so that it appears that the LDS missionary is denying the need for Christ. Any Latter-day Saint would recognize this as being completely unrealistic.

The "Mormon Jesus" versus the "Traditional Jesus"

It would be enlightening for any Latter-day Saint to read the book's description of the "Mormon Jesus" in the left column and see just how much of this is recognizable as church doctrine. The list is taken from the endnotes on page 440, note 46. This claim was originally made in the author's earlier work One Nation Under Gods—"Mormon Beliefs About Jesus" versus "Christian Beliefs About Jesus", p. 378.

The "Mormon Jesus" Jesus Christ, as viewed by Latter-day Saints For more information...
A literal son (spirit-child) of a god (Elohim) and his wife.
  • Mormons believe that everyone is a spirit child of Heavenly Father, including Jesus. What is a spirit child? We don't have the details.
  • Our eternal nature was organized into a spirit person, whatever that is. We don't know the details. We don't know the process in which we became a spirit person.
  • The difference between us is that Jesus is divine, while the rest of us are not.
  • Why the emphasis on the word "literal"? Apparently, to once again call attention to the subject of "Celestial Sex."
The elder brother of all spirits born in the pre-existence to Heavenly Father.
  • Latter-day Saints do not claim to know by what method a spirit is "born."
  • Christ is the "eldest," but what this means is not also not clear. Is it a question of temporality? (i.e., He came first in time) Is it a rank? Does it describe His relationship to us? We simply don't claim to know, since time is only measured unto man.
  • Latter-day Saints do believe that Christ was not created ex nihilo at some moment; He is eternally self-existent.
One of three gods overseeing this planet.
  • There is only one God. Christ is one of three divine beings in the Godhead. They are one in purpose, not one in person. John 17꞉3, John 17꞉20-22
  • Regardless of this, a creedal Christian ought not to have a problem with one God consisting of more than one Person.
Atoned only for Adam's transgression, thereby providing the opportunity for us to obtain "eternal life" by our own efforts.
  • This statement is completely false.
  • The Book of Mormon teaches that Christ's sacrifice was "infinite and eternal." (2 Nephi) It could not be exceeded in any sense. Christ suffered for the sins, griefs, and pains of all humanity (Alma 7), whether or not they repent.
  • The benefits of that atonement are restricted if we refuse to do that which He asks of us to accept it (i.e. have faith, repent, be baptized, receive the Holy Ghost, and endure to the end.)
The literal spirit brother of Lucifer.
  • Again, note the emphasis on the word "literal." Latter-day Saints do not consider Jesus in any way to be Satan's "peer."
Jesus' sacrificial death is not able to cleanse some people of all their sins.
  • Latter-day Saints believe that only those who reject the atonement cannot be cleansed from all their sins. If one doesn't accept the atonement, then the atonement can't save him or her. But, that is a reflection on the sinner, and does not imply that Christ's atonement was "not able" to cleanse our sins.
  • This is probably alluding to blood atonement.
  • Jesus Christ Himself taught that blasphemy against the Holy Ghost was an "unforgivable sin." Matthew 12꞉31-32
There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God.
  • Latter-day Saints believe that there is no salvation without accepting Jesus Christ as our Saviour and Redeemer. Salvation is obtained by receiving Jesus and his atoning sacrifice. The statement presented in the book is nonsense. All save the sons of perdition are saved. All will be resurrected.
  • A fullness of salvation requires accepting the words of ALL the prophets--including those who wrote the Bible, and including Joseph Smith.
  • If one believes that you have to accept the Bible witness to be saved, then how can one fault Latter-day Saints for believing that another prophet's witness must also be accepted? LDS doctrine saves infidels and non-Christians in a resurrection of glory, and provides for their evangelization after death.

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