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− | ||"Mindless devotion to Smith's teachings also raised the ire of non-Mormons attempting to reason with the Saints about the folly of their beliefs. Reason and logical thinking meant little to Mormons, who commonly rejected analytical thought in favor of supernatural experience." | + | || |
+ | *{{AuthorQuote|"Mindless devotion to Smith's teachings also raised the ire of non-Mormons attempting to reason with the Saints about the folly of their beliefs. Reason and logical thinking meant little to Mormons, who commonly rejected analytical thought in favor of supernatural experience."}} | ||
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*How does the author describe the resurrection of Jesus Christ using "reason and logical thinking" while discounting "supernatural experience"? | *How does the author describe the resurrection of Jesus Christ using "reason and logical thinking" while discounting "supernatural experience"? | ||
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− | ||The author provides this description of the three degrees of glory: | + | || |
+ | *The author provides this description of the three degrees of glory: | ||
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"The first degree of glory, which provides a very limited amount of glory/reward, is reserved for non-Mormons whose lives are marked primarily by immorality. The second degree, which offers a slightly greater glory/reward, is granted to non-Mormons and Mormons alike who live good lives marked primarily by kindness, goodness, and trying to live the best life possible. Finally, the third degree, which is basically the highest heaven attainable, is reserved for faithful Mormons who lived an exemplary life as "priests of the Most High, after the order of Melchizadeck (sic)." | "The first degree of glory, which provides a very limited amount of glory/reward, is reserved for non-Mormons whose lives are marked primarily by immorality. The second degree, which offers a slightly greater glory/reward, is granted to non-Mormons and Mormons alike who live good lives marked primarily by kindness, goodness, and trying to live the best life possible. Finally, the third degree, which is basically the highest heaven attainable, is reserved for faithful Mormons who lived an exemplary life as "priests of the Most High, after the order of Melchizadeck (sic)." | ||
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+ | *Was the Latter-day Saint periodical the ''Evening and Morning Star'' "haranguing" non-Mormons by threatening them with "imminent destruction" if they did not repent? | ||
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*{{FalseStatement}}: [[../../Use of sources/Haranguing non-Mormons|Haranguing non-Mormons]] | *{{FalseStatement}}: [[../../Use of sources/Haranguing non-Mormons|Haranguing non-Mormons]] | ||
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+ | *Did Joseph Smith define the "wicked" as anyone who rejected Latter-day Saint beliefs? | ||
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* Underwood (on the page cited) points out that this label had little to do with behavior: "Theologically, then, the Saints used the word "wicked" as a sort of '''generic''' term for ''all'' unbelievers, '''regardless of their personal ethics'''" (italics original, bold added). | * Underwood (on the page cited) points out that this label had little to do with behavior: "Theologically, then, the Saints used the word "wicked" as a sort of '''generic''' term for ''all'' unbelievers, '''regardless of their personal ethics'''" (italics original, bold added). | ||
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− | * | + | *{{AuthorQuote|"Through Independence trekked Shawnees, Kickapoos, and Pottawattamies....The old settlers counted the Indian guns and listened uneasily to their lamentation and despair, but the Mormons watched the migration with a kind of ecstasy."}} |
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+ | *[[../../Rewording secondary sources|Rewording secondary sources]] | ||
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*{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows|pages=121}} | *{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows|pages=121}} | ||
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− | ||"Contrary to what God had declared through Smith's revelations, peace would not reign in Zion." | + | || |
+ | *{{AuthorQuote|"Contrary to what God had declared through Smith's revelations, peace would not reign in Zion."}} | ||
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− | ||Latter-day Saints | + | || |
+ | *Did Latter-day Saints alter their perception as being "adopted into Israel" to being "literal" descendants of Israel because they "were going to end up second-class Israelites?" | ||
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+ | *Do Latter-day Saint claim today that they are literal descendants of Israel? | ||
+ | *Brigham Young identified Joseph Smith as a "pure Ephraimite." | ||
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*Daniel H. Ludlow: "Although President Young identified Joseph Smith as a “pure Ephraimite” in the above quotation, so far as the Prophet’s family or blood lines were concerned, Brigham Young and others have recognized that (1) Joseph Smith was from a Gentile nation and (2) some of Joseph Smith’s progenitors may have come from bloodlines other than that of Ephraim. (See Journal of Discourses, 2:268.)" See Ludlow, "Of the House of Israel", ''Ensign'', January 1991. {{link|url=http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=b27e66ce3a47b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1}} | *Daniel H. Ludlow: "Although President Young identified Joseph Smith as a “pure Ephraimite” in the above quotation, so far as the Prophet’s family or blood lines were concerned, Brigham Young and others have recognized that (1) Joseph Smith was from a Gentile nation and (2) some of Joseph Smith’s progenitors may have come from bloodlines other than that of Ephraim. (See Journal of Discourses, 2:268.)" See Ludlow, "Of the House of Israel", ''Ensign'', January 1991. {{link|url=http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=b27e66ce3a47b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1}} | ||
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+ | *The author states that any Gentiles who might "want to become Mormon without being descended from Israel" would receive a "heavenly blood transfusion." | ||
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+ | *Were missionaries sent to preach only to "other Caucasians?" | ||
+ | *Did this make it easier for Joseph to teach that people of African descent were "cursed by God?" | ||
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*Joseph conferred the priesthood on several black men. The priesthood ban was initiated during the time of Brigham Young. | *Joseph conferred the priesthood on several black men. The priesthood ban was initiated during the time of Brigham Young. | ||
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+ | *Was the Latter-day Saint periodical ''The Evening and Morning Star'' claiming that Missouri "rightfully belonged to Mormons?" | ||
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+ | *In the revelation that Joseph received on August 2, 1833, was it evident that "God also was unaware of the Missouri tragedy?" | ||
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+ | *Did Joseph receive a revelation which "commanded Mormons to disobey secular law and civil leaders not conforming to the commandments of God?" | ||
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+ | *{{AuthorQuote|"They had neither provision, nor direction. some fled to nearby Clay County, but most of those exiled remained huddled in the woodlands by the Missouri River. Their only comfort was the hope that Christ would soon deliver them."}} | ||
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*[[../../Sarcasm|Sarcasm]] | *[[../../Sarcasm|Sarcasm]] | ||
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− | ||"Smith ultimately placed blame for the humiliating venture not on his own shoulders, but upon the sinful conduct, lack of faith, and ungodly attitudes of those traveling with him." | + | || |
+ | *{{AuthorQuote|"Smith ultimately placed blame for the humiliating venture not on his own shoulders, but upon the sinful conduct, lack of faith, and ungodly attitudes of those traveling with him."}} | ||
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*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | *[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | ||
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+ | *Did Joseph receive a revelation that Zion would be redeemed by September 1836? | ||
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*{{SourceDistortion}}: The author does not tell us about the conditions attached to the prophecy: [[../../Use of sources/Redeemed by September 1836|Redeemed by Sept 1836?]] | *{{SourceDistortion}}: The author does not tell us about the conditions attached to the prophecy: [[../../Use of sources/Redeemed by September 1836|Redeemed by Sept 1836?]] | ||
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+ | *Did Joseph restore ceremonies found in ancient Judaism and early Chritianity in order to "distance" the Church from "corrupt Christendom?" | ||
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* If Joseph claimed to be ''restoring'' early Christianity, why is it strange that he would reinstitute practices from early Christianity? And, how did Joseph know of these authentic practices of the early Christians? | * If Joseph claimed to be ''restoring'' early Christianity, why is it strange that he would reinstitute practices from early Christianity? And, how did Joseph know of these authentic practices of the early Christians? | ||
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+ | *{{AuthorQuote|"Joseph knew that nothing short of a spectacular closing to the dedication week would be acceptable to the crowds. So during the final April 3 service, Smith and Oliver Cowdery, with great ceremonial show, disappeared from the congregation behind two special veils that had been lowered in front of them..."}} | ||
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*The author is rewriting Brodie's prose once again. No primary sources are provided to indicate what Joseph was thinking, or that he disappeared behind the veil "with great ceremonial show." This is the author's prose. | *The author is rewriting Brodie's prose once again. No primary sources are provided to indicate what Joseph was thinking, or that he disappeared behind the veil "with great ceremonial show." This is the author's prose. | ||
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+ | *Did Joseph believe that the ten lost tribes were at the North Pole? | ||
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*[[Location of the lost ten tribes]] | *[[Location of the lost ten tribes]] | ||
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+ | *Did Joseph believe that the ten lost tribes were located on a planet by the North Star? | ||
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*According to one of the sources quoted, Orson Pratt said, "The Prophet Joseph once in my hearing advanced his opinion that the Ten Tribes were separated from the Earth; or a portion of the Earth was by a miracle broken off..." In other words, Joseph was expressing his opinion. | *According to one of the sources quoted, Orson Pratt said, "The Prophet Joseph once in my hearing advanced his opinion that the Ten Tribes were separated from the Earth; or a portion of the Earth was by a miracle broken off..." In other words, Joseph was expressing his opinion. | ||
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Mindless devotion to Smith's teachings also raised the ire of non-Mormons attempting to reason with the Saints about the folly of their beliefs. Reason and logical thinking meant little to Mormons, who commonly rejected analytical thought in favor of supernatural experience.
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