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* Many Mormons seem to have been able to use "intellectual, rational thought" to demonstrate the many errors, distortions, and misstatements in this work attacking their faith. | * Many Mormons seem to have been able to use "intellectual, rational thought" to demonstrate the many errors, distortions, and misstatements in this work attacking their faith. | ||
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* Members of the Church become ''more active'' and committed to their faith as their degree of education increases: [[Mormonism_and_education/Education_and_belief|Education and belief]]. This does not prove the Church true, but it does put the lie to claims that members are ill-informed, uneducated, or ignorant. | * Members of the Church become ''more active'' and committed to their faith as their degree of education increases: [[Mormonism_and_education/Education_and_belief|Education and belief]]. This does not prove the Church true, but it does put the lie to claims that members are ill-informed, uneducated, or ignorant. | ||
* [[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | * [[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | ||
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+ | *Why are Latter-day Saints supposed to only rely on the "burning in the bosom" even if they are "faced with irrefutable facts that undermine the LDS church?" | ||
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*[[Burning in the bosom]] | *[[Burning in the bosom]] | ||
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+ | *Are Latter-day Saints instructed to "simply not think and obey church authorities?" | ||
+ | *The endnote states: "The message has never been rescinded in any official way." | ||
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*[[Authoritarianism and Church leaders|"When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done?"]] | *[[Authoritarianism and Church leaders|"When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done?"]] | ||
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− | || | + | *Did Ezra Taft Benson's talk about "Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet" speech eliminate the possibility of Latter-day Saints excercising independent thought? |
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*[[../../Use of sources/The LDS as Mindless Followers|Use of sources: The LDS as Mindless Followers]] | *[[../../Use of sources/The LDS as Mindless Followers|Use of sources: The LDS as Mindless Followers]] | ||
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*Ezra Taft Benson, "Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet," February 26, 1980. | *Ezra Taft Benson, "Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet," February 26, 1980. | ||
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− | * | + | *Steve Benson said "When the prophet has spoken, the debate is over." |
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+ | *The original claim that "the thinking is done" was made once in a church magazine, and the president of the Church immediately declared it to be false. Anti-Mormons continue to invoke it. | ||
+ | *N. Eldon Tanner ''did'' say the following in 1979 regarding ''moral issues'': | ||
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+ | Why should there be any debate over the '''moral issues''' which are confounding the world today? When the prophet speaks the debate is over. ("The Debate is Over", ''Ensign'', August 1979} {{ea}} | ||
+ | </blockquote> | ||
*{{Offsite|http://www.fairlds.org/Misc/When_the_Prophet_Speaks_is_the_Thinking_Done.html|When the Prophet speaks, the thinking is done?}} | *{{Offsite|http://www.fairlds.org/Misc/When_the_Prophet_Speaks_is_the_Thinking_Done.html|When the Prophet speaks, the thinking is done?}} | ||
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+ | *Did the Church excommunicate a number of "dissidents?" | ||
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− | ||President Hinckley | + | *Did President Hinckley say that "dissidents" that were excommunicated got what they deserved "as cursed servants of Satan?" President Hinckley said: |
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"I think the Lord had them in mind when he declared: 'Cursed are all those that shall life up the heel against mine anointed, saith the Lord.'...[T]hey are the servants of sin, and are the children of disobedience themselves." | "I think the Lord had them in mind when he declared: 'Cursed are all those that shall life up the heel against mine anointed, saith the Lord.'...[T]hey are the servants of sin, and are the children of disobedience themselves." | ||
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− | || | + | *Is the "Strengthening Church Members Committee" is a group used to spy on members of the Church? |
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*Jerald and Sandra Tanner, ''Mormon Spies, Hughes, and the C.I.A.'' | *Jerald and Sandra Tanner, ''Mormon Spies, Hughes, and the C.I.A.'' | ||
*Peggy Fletcher Stack, "Feminist BYU Professor Fired, but Not Discredited," ''Salt Lake Tribune'', June 8, 1996. | *Peggy Fletcher Stack, "Feminist BYU Professor Fired, but Not Discredited," ''Salt Lake Tribune'', June 8, 1996. | ||
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+ | *Why did the 1997 Relief Society manual make it sound as if Brigham Young only had one wife and six children? | ||
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* [[Brigham_Young_and_polygamy|Hiding polygamy in Relief Society manuals?]] | * [[Brigham_Young_and_polygamy|Hiding polygamy in Relief Society manuals?]] | ||
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− | ||Gordon B. Hinckley | + | *Did Gordon B. Hinckley try to cover up the Church's polygamous past when he appeared on Larry King Live and said that only two to five percent of the early LDS practiced it? |
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* The author is assuming motive, and presuming that President Hinckley knew that his figure was wrong. | * The author is assuming motive, and presuming that President Hinckley knew that his figure was wrong. | ||
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− | || | + | *Does the ''Book of Mormon'' claim that Native Americans will miraculously turn "white-skinned" by accepting "Mormon beliefs?" *Didn't Brigham Young and Spencer W. Kimball say that they would become "white and delightsome?" |
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* Brigham Young and Spencer W. Kimball were unaware of a [[Book_of_Mormon_textual_changes/%22white%22_changed_to_%22pure%22|clarification]] on this issue which Joseph Smith had made to the Book of Mormon text. | * Brigham Young and Spencer W. Kimball were unaware of a [[Book_of_Mormon_textual_changes/%22white%22_changed_to_%22pure%22|clarification]] on this issue which Joseph Smith had made to the Book of Mormon text. | ||
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+ | *Did the Church acquire the Hofmann documents (later disovered to be forgeries) in order to suppress them? | ||
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* [[Mark Hofmann]] | * [[Mark Hofmann]] | ||
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* [[Mark Hofmann]] | * [[Mark Hofmann]] | ||
*[[Mark_Hofmann/Church_reaction_to_forgeries|Church reaction to Hofmann forgeries]] | *[[Mark_Hofmann/Church_reaction_to_forgeries|Church reaction to Hofmann forgeries]] | ||
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− | ||"Mormon leaders also blocked efforts by police to see exactly what documents were in LDS church vaults, apparently knowing that some of their authentic documents not yet released to the public might further damage the church's reputation if the contents of them were to be revealed." | + | || |
+ | *{{AuthorQuote|"Mormon leaders also blocked efforts by police to see exactly what documents were in LDS church vaults, apparently knowing that some of their authentic documents not yet released to the public might further damage the church's reputation if the contents of them were to be revealed."}} | ||
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− | + | *According to the Tanners, Richard Turley's book ''Victims: The LDS Church and the Mark Hofmann Case'' "shows that Mormon Church leaders were engaged in a conspiracy of silence with regard to the McLellin collection to save the church's image." | |
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*{{FalseStatement}}: LDS doctrine is very clear that prophets will ''not'' always know deception when they see it. For it to be otherwise would be to threaten moral agency. Said the Lord to Joseph Smith: "as you cannot always judge the righteous, or as you cannot always tell the wicked from the righteous, therefore I say unto you, hold your peace until I shall see fit to make all things known unto the world concerning the matter" ({{s||DC|10|37}}). | *{{FalseStatement}}: LDS doctrine is very clear that prophets will ''not'' always know deception when they see it. For it to be otherwise would be to threaten moral agency. Said the Lord to Joseph Smith: "as you cannot always judge the righteous, or as you cannot always tell the wicked from the righteous, therefore I say unto you, hold your peace until I shall see fit to make all things known unto the world concerning the matter" ({{s||DC|10|37}}). | ||
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*Bruce R. McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', 197. | *Bruce R. McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', 197. | ||
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+ | *The book seems to be implying that the Hofmann murders were the fault of the Church. | ||
*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | *[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | ||
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+ | *Paul H. Dunn defended his embellishments in order to "illustrate his theological and moral points." | ||
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* Paul H. Dunn was disciplined by the Church, and required to apologize for his actions. | * Paul H. Dunn was disciplined by the Church, and required to apologize for his actions. | ||
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*Richard Robertson, ''Arizona Republic'', February 16, 1991, B9. | *Richard Robertson, ''Arizona Republic'', February 16, 1991, B9. | ||
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*It is not clear what the actions of these individuals, despite the fact that some were LDS, has to do with the Church itself. Do we condemn other Christian faiths simply because their ministers may be found guilty of sex scandals, financial impropriety, or child abuse? Or, do we conclude that not all members of a faith live up to its precepts? | *It is not clear what the actions of these individuals, despite the fact that some were LDS, has to do with the Church itself. Do we condemn other Christian faiths simply because their ministers may be found guilty of sex scandals, financial impropriety, or child abuse? Or, do we conclude that not all members of a faith live up to its precepts? | ||
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+ | *No, actually this isn't a LDS belief at all—it isn't even discussed in Church. | ||
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*Joseph F. Smith, ''conference Report'', October 1912, 11. | *Joseph F. Smith, ''conference Report'', October 1912, 11. | ||
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Claims made in "Chapter 18: Cover-Ups, Conspiracies, and Controversies"
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