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+ | * This book's many errors will not help anyone gain an accurate understanding of the Church. | ||
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− | ||Baptisms for the dead were performed for | + | *Baptisms for the dead were performed for Nazis, including Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun. Was this done so that they could "thereby become gods?" |
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* Members of the Church leave all judgment in God's hands. They are commanded to perform vicarious ordinances for ''all'' deceased persons for whom records exist. This is no way guarantees or implies Hitler's acceptance of Mormonism or forgiveness. Such matters are left to God. | * Members of the Church leave all judgment in God's hands. They are commanded to perform vicarious ordinances for ''all'' deceased persons for whom records exist. This is no way guarantees or implies Hitler's acceptance of Mormonism or forgiveness. Such matters are left to God. | ||
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+ | *Are baptisms for the dead incompatible with Christianity? | ||
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* {{FalseStatement}}: the Bible itself describes Christians carrying out this practice: {{b|1|Corinthians|15|29}}. | * {{FalseStatement}}: the Bible itself describes Christians carrying out this practice: {{b|1|Corinthians|15|29}}. | ||
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− | ||"It is possible that many readers of this book have had their deceased relatives baptized by proxy into Mormonism, even though such persons might not have wanted anything to do with Mormonism during their lives." | + | || |
+ | *{{AuthorQuote|"It is possible that many readers of this book have had their deceased relatives baptized by proxy into Mormonism, even though such persons might not have wanted anything to do with Mormonism during their lives."}} | ||
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* LDS proxy baptisms only give the dead ''the opportunity'' to accept it if they wish. They have no power on any who decline them. | * LDS proxy baptisms only give the dead ''the opportunity'' to accept it if they wish. They have no power on any who decline them. | ||
− | * If | + | * If one believes the LDS Church is false, then LDS proxy baptisms can have no power whatever, and the dead are completely unaffected thereby. |
*[[Refusing_baptism_for_the_dead]] | *[[Refusing_baptism_for_the_dead]] | ||
*[[Baptism for the dead]] | *[[Baptism for the dead]] | ||
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+ | *Did Latter-day Saints perform vicarious baptisms for Jews who had died in the Holocast? | ||
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* Those who did so violated the Church's stated policies. | * Those who did so violated the Church's stated policies. | ||
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+ | *Do LDS leaders suppress access to Church archives? | ||
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* Steven L. Olsen, "Is the Church Archives Closed?" (FAIR Conference, 2007). {{fairlink|url=http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2007_Is_the_Church_Archives_Closed.html}} | * Steven L. Olsen, "Is the Church Archives Closed?" (FAIR Conference, 2007). {{fairlink|url=http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2007_Is_the_Church_Archives_Closed.html}} | ||
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− | ||"LDS leaders re-write historical documents, deny that other documents exist, create fictitious historical data, add words to update old revelations so that they conform to current events/knowledge, and delete various sections of divine pronouncements said to have been transcribe perfectly when originally delivered." | + | || |
+ | *{{AuthorQuote|"LDS leaders re-write historical documents, deny that other documents exist, create fictitious historical data, add words to update old revelations so that they conform to current events/knowledge, and delete various sections of divine pronouncements said to have been transcribe perfectly when originally delivered."}} | ||
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− | ||The ''History of the Church'' | + | || |
+ | *The ''History of the Church'' was mostly written after his death, but reads as if he wrote it himself. | ||
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* This is no secret; using Joseph's authorial voice was standard practice for the day. | * This is no secret; using Joseph's authorial voice was standard practice for the day. | ||
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+ | *Was writing the ''History of the Church'' as if Joseph himself wrote it a "flagrant breach of standard protocol for persons producing historical works" as the book claims? | ||
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+ | *Was a "forged prediction" added to the history that a "mighty people" that would dwell "in the midst of the Rocky Mountains?" | ||
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* [[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Use_of_sources/Forged_Rocky_Mountain_prophecy|Forged prophecy about Saints in Rocky Mountains?]]{{attn}} | * [[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Use_of_sources/Forged_Rocky_Mountain_prophecy|Forged prophecy about Saints in Rocky Mountains?]]{{attn}} | ||
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− | || | + | *Was a "forged prediction" added to the history of the Church regarding the future political career of Senator Steven (sic) A. Douglas?" (Note: Should be "Stephen" A Douglass) |
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* {{FalseStatement}}: in fact, the prediction was published more than a year before Douglas' attack on the Church; this was well-before his aspirations to the U.S. presidency or fall in political fortunes. | * {{FalseStatement}}: in fact, the prediction was published more than a year before Douglas' attack on the Church; this was well-before his aspirations to the U.S. presidency or fall in political fortunes. | ||
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+ | *Were over 62,000 words were added or deleted from the history of the Church? | ||
+ | *The endnote adds that LDS leaders claim that the "official history" is not "the most accurate history in all the world." | ||
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* [[../../Use of sources/Most accurate history in all the world|Use of sources:Most accurate history in all the world?]]{{attn}} | * [[../../Use of sources/Most accurate history in all the world|Use of sources:Most accurate history in all the world?]]{{attn}} | ||
*[[Authorship of History of the Church]] | *[[Authorship of History of the Church]] | ||
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− | ||Volume six of the ''History of the Church'' | + | || |
+ | *The minutes of a conference dealing with Sidney Rigdon discussed in Volume six of the ''History of the Church'' differs from the minutes originally printed in the ''Times and Seasons''. | ||
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*[[Censorship_and_revision_of_LDS_history/Sidney Rigdon trial in Times and Seasons versus History of the Church|Sidney Rigdon trial in Times and Seasons versus History of the Church]] | *[[Censorship_and_revision_of_LDS_history/Sidney Rigdon trial in Times and Seasons versus History of the Church|Sidney Rigdon trial in Times and Seasons versus History of the Church]] | ||
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+ | *Were Joseph's revelations revised to make them "more palatable?" | ||
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*Tanner and Tanner, ''Major Problems of Mormonism'', 135. | *Tanner and Tanner, ''Major Problems of Mormonism'', 135. | ||
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Revision as of 21:25, 14 January 2009
Claims made in "Chapter 17: Is Mormonism Christian?" | A FAIR Analysis of: Criticism of Mormonism/Books A work by author: Richard Abanes
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Claims made in "Postscript" (paperback only) |
Claims made in "Chapter 18: Cover-Ups, Conspiracies, and Controversies"
[T]he general public, especially outside America, still possesses little knowledge of the unsavory nature of Mormonism.
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"Most of the academic dishonesty foisted upon church members by LDS scholars and leaders relates to the Mormon notion that all works of history must be 'faith-promoting.'" |
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"Mormonism has been an emotion-based religion opposed to intellectual, rational thought." |
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Latter-day Saints are supposed to only rely on the "burning in the bosom" even "when faced with irrefutable facts that undermine the LDS church." |
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412, 607n34 |
Latter-day Saints are instructed to "simply not think and obey church authorities." The endnote states: "The message has never been rescinded in any official way." |
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413-414, 609-610n39 (HB) |
"Some of the most disturbing instructions about blind obedience came from LDS president Ezra Taft Benson in his 'Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet' speech. His fundamentals for living a righteous Mormon life left little room for independent thought." |
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Section "The Mormon Purge"
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Quoting Steven Benson: "When the prophet has spoken, the debate is over." |
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The Church excommunicated a number of "perceived dissidents." |
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418, 609n58 |
President Hinckley said "that all such enemies of the church deserve what they get as cursed servants of Satan." President Hinckley said:
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The "Strengthening Church Members Committee" is a "pseudo-clandestine group to spy on Church members." |
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Section "Skeletons in the Closet"
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The 1997 Relief Society manual made it sound as if Brigham Young only had one wife and six children. |
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420, 609n63 |
Gordon B. Hinckley "did his best to cover-up polygamy" when he appeared on Larry King Live and said that only two to five percent of the early LDS practiced it. |
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420, 610n68-71 |
The Book of Mormon claims that Native Americans "would miraculously turn white-skinned" by accepting "Mormon beliefs." Brigham Young and Spencer W. Kimball said that they would become "white and delightsome." |
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Section "Hofmann's Deadly Documents"
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The Church acquired the Hofmann documents in order to suppress them. |
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LDS officials "began hindering" the Hofmann investigation by "refusing to divulge information about the various transactions." |
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"Mormon leaders also blocked efforts by police to see exactly what documents were in LDS church vaults, apparently knowing that some of their authentic documents not yet released to the public might further damage the church's reputation if the contents of them were to be revealed." |
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424, 610n77 |
According to the Tanners, Richard Turley's book Victims: The LDS Church and the Mark Hofmann Case "shows that Mormon Church leaders were engaged in a conspiracy of silence with regard to the McLellin collection to save the church's image." |
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424, 610n78 |
LDS leaders "apparent lack of discernment with regard to Hofmann's legitimacy refuted in a most visible way the LDS belief that church leaders are divinely enabled by God to know deception when they see it." |
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Dunn in God's Name
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"The Mormon habit of sometimes taking detours around truth to protect the church has not always led to murder." |
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Paul H. Dunn defended his "fabrications" in order to "illustrate his theological and moral points." (second quote is from cited source) |
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Section "Mormon Games"
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The author recounts the Salt Lake Olympic bribery scandal. |
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Section: "America's Mormon Destiny"
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The belief that Latter-day Saints will "rescue the Constitution from ruin, and in so doing, ascend to a place of pre-eminence over America, and eventually the world" is "an integral part of Mormonism." |
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