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*[[../../Sarcasm|Sarcasm]] | *[[../../Sarcasm|Sarcasm]] | ||
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− | ||"While on a bluff overlooking the waterway, a member of his party discovered a rocky formation vaguely reminiscent of an ancient altar. Joseph gazed at the rocks, then noticed the lush prarie stretching out before him..." | + | || |
+ | *{{AuthorQuote|"While on a bluff overlooking the waterway, a member of his party discovered a rocky formation vaguely reminiscent of an ancient altar. Joseph gazed at the rocks, then noticed the lush prarie stretching out before him..."}} | ||
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*Brodie, p. 211: "On a high bluff overlooking the river someone in the party discovered the ruins of what seemed to be an altar and excitedly led the prophet to it. After examining it, Joseph stood silent, his eye sweeping over the prarie that rolled away beneath him..." | *Brodie, p. 211: "On a high bluff overlooking the river someone in the party discovered the ruins of what seemed to be an altar and excitedly led the prophet to it. After examining it, Joseph stood silent, his eye sweeping over the prarie that rolled away beneath him..." | ||
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− | ||"Twenty-first century Mormonism | + | || |
+ | *The author claims that "Twenty-first century Mormonism" promotes the idea that Cain, Abel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, and Noah lived in Missouri. | ||
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*It would be safe to say that ''Twenty-first'' century Latter-day Saints rarely discuss this issue. ''Nineteenth century'' and early ''twentieth century'' Latter-day Saints may have speculated on this. | *It would be safe to say that ''Twenty-first'' century Latter-day Saints rarely discuss this issue. ''Nineteenth century'' and early ''twentieth century'' Latter-day Saints may have speculated on this. | ||
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− | ||Oliver Cowdery | + | *Did Oliver Cowdery accuse Joseph of having a "dirty, nasty, filthy affair" with Fanny Alger? |
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*[[Joseph Smith and polygamy/Fanny Alger and William McLellin|Fanny Alger and William McLellin]] | *[[Joseph Smith and polygamy/Fanny Alger and William McLellin|Fanny Alger and William McLellin]] | ||
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− | ||Joseph | + | *Did Joseph allow the formation of the Danites? |
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− | ||Sidney Rigdon | + | *Did Sidney Rigdon give public approval to the Danites during a speech he delivered on June 17, 1838? |
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− | ||"Such historical revisionism is typical of Mormon historians, who must at all costs, preserve the integrity of early Mormon leaders." | + | *{{AuthorQuote|"Such historical revisionism is typical of Mormon historians, who must at all costs, preserve the integrity of early Mormon leaders."}} |
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− | ||Joseph | + | *Did Joseph write in his private journal that he was aware of the Danite's purpose? Were these words then crossed out so that they wouldn't appear in the history of the Church? |
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− | || | + | *D. Michael Quinn claimed that the Danites numbered between 800 and 1000 people. |
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*[[Danites]] | *[[Danites]] | ||
*Leland Gentry, [http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/byustudies&CISOPTR=460&REC=6 The Danite Band of 1838], ''BYU Studies'' 14/4 (1974): 421—50. | *Leland Gentry, [http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/byustudies&CISOPTR=460&REC=6 The Danite Band of 1838], ''BYU Studies'' 14/4 (1974): 421—50. | ||
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− | *Quinn | + | *{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=479-485}} |
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− | ||"The Missourians actually seemed committed to continuing their pursuit of a peaceful co-existence with the Mormons." | + | || |
+ | *{{AuthorQuote|"The Missourians actually seemed committed to continuing their pursuit of a peaceful co-existence with the Mormons."}} | ||
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*[[../../Absurd claims#155|Absurd claims]] | *[[../../Absurd claims#155|Absurd claims]] | ||
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− | ||After Sidney Rigdon's July 4th sermon in Far West, "long-buried suspicions were raised and old prejudices renewed." | + | || |
+ | *After Sidney Rigdon's July 4th sermon in Far West, the author claims that "long-buried suspicions were raised and old prejudices renewed." | ||
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+ | *Did Latter-day Saints plan to "take over" by voting? | ||
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+ | *Does anyone plan to "take over" when they exercise their right to vote? | ||
*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | *[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | ||
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+ | *Author's opinion. | ||
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− | ||"...calling their attention to the fact that the Saints were 'horse thieves, liars, counterfeiters, and dupes.'" | + | *{{AuthorQuote|"...calling their attention to the fact that the Saints were 'horse thieves, liars, counterfeiters, and dupes.'"}} |
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+ | *Was this indeed a "fact" as stated by the author? | ||
*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | *[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | ||
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+ | *According to the author, after driving the Saints from their homes, Bogart started to threaten the Saints "in their own territory." | ||
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*Does the author mean to imply that those "Mormons" who were driven "from their homes" were ''not'' living "in their own territory?" | *Does the author mean to imply that those "Mormons" who were driven "from their homes" were ''not'' living "in their own territory?" | ||
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− | ||The book fails to mention how General Lucas ordered Alexander Doniphan to execute Joseph Smith and other Church leaders at Far West, and how Doniphan refused to do so because he considered it "cold blooded murder." | + | || |
+ | *The book fails to mention how General Lucas ordered Alexander Doniphan to execute Joseph Smith and other Church leaders at Far West, and how Doniphan refused to do so because he considered it "cold blooded murder." | ||
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− | ||"...the evidence clearly revealed that Joseph had directed most, if not all, of the illegal activities in which the Saints had been engaged." | + | || |
+ | *{{AuthorQuote|"...the evidence clearly revealed that Joseph had directed most, if not all, of the illegal activities in which the Saints had been engaged."}} | ||
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Claims made in "Chapter 9: March to Martyrdom" |
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The Missourians actually seemed committed to continuing their pursuit of a peaceful co-existence with the Mormons.
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