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+ | *Did Joseph claim, as David Whitmer said he did, that "[s]ome revelations are of God: some revelations are of man: and some revelations are of the devil?" | ||
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*This is actually David Whitmer's ''recollection'' of something that he claimed Joseph said to him 50 years earlier. | *This is actually David Whitmer's ''recollection'' of something that he claimed Joseph said to him 50 years earlier. | ||
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+ | *Did Joseph say that "[f]ifty-six years should wind up the scene" before the second coming of Jesus Christ? | ||
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*[[Joseph Smith prophesied the Second Coming to be in 1890]] | *[[Joseph Smith prophesied the Second Coming to be in 1890]] | ||
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− | * | + | *Were the revelations published in the 1835 Doctrine and Covenants "amended, added to, excised, and in some cases assigned different historical settings" as claimed by Michael Marquardt? |
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*[[Doctrine and Covenants textual changes]] | *[[Doctrine and Covenants textual changes]] | ||
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+ | *Did Joseph break Ohio law by marrying Newel Knight to "undivorced Lydia G. Baily," despite having no license to perform marriages in Ohio? | ||
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*{{FalseStatement}}: No law was broken, and marriage certificates were issued by the state of Ohio; no license was required. | *{{FalseStatement}}: No law was broken, and marriage certificates were issued by the state of Ohio; no license was required. | ||
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||Was Kirtland, as Fawn Brodie claimed, "full of converts who had left behind them spouses who could not be persuaded to join the church?" | ||Was Kirtland, as Fawn Brodie claimed, "full of converts who had left behind them spouses who could not be persuaded to join the church?" | ||
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− | *{{FalseStatement}} | + | *In the endnote, the author claims that "[d]isruptions of the family unit and marriage break-ups are often seen among religious groups termed "cults." |
− | + | *The author claims that "ex-Mormons have reported that LDS leaders/counselors commonly encourage divorce when the spouse of a faithful Mormon forsakes the faith." | |
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+ | *{{FalseStatement}}: Church leaders do not advise divorce under these circumstances. | ||
*Note that the author takes the opportunity to classify the Church as a "cult" based upon this supposition. | *Note that the author takes the opportunity to classify the Church as a "cult" based upon this supposition. | ||
*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | *[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | ||
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− | ||Levi Lewis | + | *Did Levi Lewis claim that Joseph tried to seduce Eliza Winters in 1830? |
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*[[Polygamy_book/Early_womanizer#Eliza_Winters|Eliza Winters claims]] | *[[Polygamy_book/Early_womanizer#Eliza_Winters|Eliza Winters claims]] | ||
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+ | *Were LDS men encouraged to take plural wives "of the Lamanites and Nephites" in order to make them "white, delightsome and just?" | ||
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*[[Native Americans to become "white and delightsome" through polygamous marriage?]] | *[[Native Americans to become "white and delightsome" through polygamous marriage?]] | ||
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− | ||"Although Smith never took any Lamanites as wives, he did begin establishing what would gradually become a fairly large harem of young girls and women taken from his flock of | + | || |
+ | *{{AuthorQuote}}: "Although Smith never took any Lamanites as wives, he did begin establishing what would gradually become a fairly large harem of young girls and women taken from his flock of 'white and delightsome' disciples." | ||
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*[[Polygamy book/Age of wives|Age of wives]] | *[[Polygamy book/Age of wives|Age of wives]] |
Revision as of 14:26, 14 January 2009
Claims made in "Chapter 6: No rest for the Righteous" | A FAIR Analysis of: Criticism of Mormonism/Books A work by author: Richard Abanes
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Claims made in "Chapter 8: Big Trouble In Little Missouri" |
Claims made in "Chapter 7: Woe In Ohio"
Smith decided to solve his economic dilemma by establishing a bank for the purpose of land speculation.
—One Nation Under Gods, p. 135. (paperback edition)
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127 epigraph, 527n1 (PB) |
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127-8, 528n5 (PB) |
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128-9, 528n10 (PB) |
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129, 529n14-15 (PB) |
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129, 529n17 (PB) |
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129, 529n16 (PB) |
Was Kirtland, as Fawn Brodie claimed, "full of converts who had left behind them spouses who could not be persuaded to join the church?" |
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529n16 (PB) |
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130, 530n22 (PB) |
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131, 530n23-24 (PB) |
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132 (PB) |
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132, 530-531n29-36 (PB) |
Joseph's first polyamous union was with Fanny Alger. |
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133, 531n37-40 (PB) |
William McLellin reported that Joseph and Fanny were found "in the barn together alone..." |
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133, n42 (PB) |
The statement on marriage in the 1835 D&C was "an attempt to cover-up the Smith-Alger affair." |
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135, 531n45 (PB) |
"The mad rush to acquire land in hopes of cashing in on it at a later date consumed the thoughts of nearly every Saint, including Smith." |
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135, 531n46-48 |
Joseph is said to have owned "one hundred and forty acres of land adjoining the temple besides his four acres of business property." |
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531n48 |
Isaac McWithy was "brought to trial before the church's High Council for insolence" after he "refused to sell his land to Joseph for $3000." |
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135 (PB) |
"Smith decided to solve his economic dilemma by establishing a bank for the purpose of land speculation." |
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136, 532n51 (PB) |
Joseph Smith is said to have claimed that "God told him that the bank was to be opened." |
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136, 532n54 (PB) |
The bank was backed only by boxes "filled with 'sand,lead, old iron, stone, and combustibles...'" |
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136, 532n56 |
"As one historian has commented, "[e]veryone's pockets bulged with bills." |
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