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Claims made in "Introduction: A Thread of Prophecy"
A FAIR Analysis of:
Criticism of Mormonism/Books
A work by author: Richard Abanes
 Claims made in "Chapter 2: Moroni, Magic, and Masonry"

Claims made in "Chapter 1: Vagabond Visionaries"

Page Claim Response Author's sources

6

 "To most of his contemporaries, Joseph Smith was nothing but a charlatan from a family of illiterate wanderers; a shiftless trouble-maker—albeit a charismatic and imaginative one—with a penchant for superstitions, storytelling, and decision-making based on the occult traditions of nineteenth century rural folk magic."

9-11

 "[T]he Smiths finally gave up on finding deliverance from their poverty by any means that might be termed legitimate employment. They turned instead to borrowing, fast-talking, and 'money-digging' through occult divination."
  • Joseph Capron, cited in *Eber D. Howe, Mormonism Unvailed (Painesville, OH, 1834), 260. (Affidavits examined)
  • Roswell Nichols, cited in Howe, 257
  • Parley Chase, cited in Howe, 248
  • Howe, 261
  • Richard L. Anderson, ""Joseph Smith's New York Reputation Reappraised,"" BYU Studies (Spring 1970), vol. 10, 283-314."

15

 Local newspapers show no revival occurring in 1820 in the area of Palmyra-Manchester, New York.
  • H. Michael Marquardt and Wesley P. Walters, Inventing Mormonism, 15-41.

15

 Smith probably incorporated an 1824 revival into his First Vision story.
  • Marvin S. Hill, "The First Vision Controversy: A Critique and Reconciliation," Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought (Summer 1982), vol. 15, 31-46.

15

 Joseph's 1832 First Vision account states that he was 15 rather than 14 years old.

15

 Joseph's 1832 account states that he only saw Jesus and doesn't mention God the Father.

15

 The main message of the 1832 account was the forgiveness of Joseph's sins.

15

 The 1832 account omits information about "God condemning Christian churches as corrupt."

16

 "Not until the 1870s-80s (half a century after Smith's death) did LDS leaders begin to consistently preach that Smith had seen Jesus and God the Father.
  •  The author's claim is false There are at least 39 published sources mentioning the First Vision which include the phrase "This is my Beloved Son" spanning 1843 to 1863—many of these prior to 1870.
  • Use of sources: "This is My Beloved Son"

16-17

 Orson Pratt said that the two personages were angels.
  • Orson Pratt, sermon by Orson Pratt, reprinted in Vogel, Early Mormon Documents, vol. 1, 146-147.

17

 Church historian Andrew Jenson said that "The angel again forbade Joseph to join any of these churches."
  • Andrew Jenson, Joseph Smith, The Prophet, Jan. 1888, vol. 3, nos. 1-3, p. 355.

18

 In 1850, John Taylor only calls the Father and Son "two glorious personages" and does not mention "this is my beloved son."
  • John Taylor, letter to the Editor of the Interpreter Anglais et Francais, June 25, 1850 cited in Vogel, Early Mormon Documents, vol. 1, 191.

18

 The 1824 revival caused Joseph's mother, sister and two brothers to join the Presbyterian church.
  • Wesley Walters, "New Light On Mormon Origins From the Palmyra N.Y. Revival," Evangelical Theological Society (Fall 1967), vol. 10, no. 4, 227-244; Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, (Spring 1969), vol. 4, no 1, 60-81.

18

 The 1824 revival cause Joseph to join a Baptist church.
  • Fayette Lapham cited in Vogel, Early Mormon Documents, vol. 1 458.

18

 No publications from the Palmyra or Manchester areas mentioned Joseph's vision.
  • Persuitte, p. 21.

22, 490 n.78 (HB)

 The vision of Moroni was the only vision that existed for many years. Lucy Mack Smith said that the first vision was that of a "holy Angel"
  • Vogel, Early Mormon Documents, vol. 1, 216.

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