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*The citiation does not support the author's assertion that this involved "nearly every Saint, including Smith." | *The citiation does not support the author's assertion that this involved "nearly every Saint, including Smith." | ||
*The endnote quotes Kimball as saying, "we were much grieved to see the spirit of speculation prevaiiling in the church..." Kimball doesn't say anything about Joseph Smith's involvment. He does state that, "all seemed determined to become rich; in my feelings they were artificial or imaginary riches." A more complete quote is included in the endnote. | *The endnote quotes Kimball as saying, "we were much grieved to see the spirit of speculation prevaiiling in the church..." Kimball doesn't say anything about Joseph Smith's involvment. He does state that, "all seemed determined to become rich; in my feelings they were artificial or imaginary riches." A more complete quote is included in the endnote. | ||
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*Heber C. Kimball, "History of Heber Chase Kimball by his own Dictation," 47-48 quote in Jessee, 397-398. | *Heber C. Kimball, "History of Heber Chase Kimball by his own Dictation," 47-48 quote in Jessee, 397-398. | ||
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||Joseph is said to have owned "one hundred and forty acres of land adjoining the temple besides his four acres of business property." | ||Joseph is said to have owned "one hundred and forty acres of land adjoining the temple besides his four acres of business property." |
Revision as of 19:02, 28 December 2008
Claims made in "Chapter 6: No rest for the Righteous" | A FAIR Analysis of: Criticism of Mormonism/Books A work by author: Richard Abanes
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Claims made in "Chapter 8: Big Trouble In Little Missouri" |
Claims made in "Chapter 7: Woe In Ohio"
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127 epigraph, 527n1 (PB) |
Joseph is claimed to have declared that "[s]ome revelations are of God: some revelations are of man: and some revelations are of the devil." |
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127-8, 528n5 (PB) |
Joseph said that "[f]ifty-six years should wind up the scene" before the second coming. |
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128-9, 528n10 (PB) |
The revelations published in the 1835 Doctrine and Covenants "were drastically 'amended, added to, excised, and in some cases assigned different historical settings.'" |
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129, 529n14-15 (PB) |
Joseph broke Ohio law by marrying Newel Knight to "undivorced Lydia G. Baily," despite having no license to perform marriages in Ohio. |
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129, 529n16 (PB) |
"Kirtland was full of converts who had left behind them spouses who could not be persuaded to join the church." |
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529n16 (PB) |
*In the endnote, the author claims that "[d]isruptions of the family unit and marriage break-ups are often seen among religious groups termed "cults," and that "ex-Mormons have reported that LDS leaders/counselors commonly encourage divorce when the spouse of a faithful Mormon forsakes the faith." |
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130, 530n22 |
Levi Lewis claimed that Joseph tried to seduce Eliza Winters in 1830. |
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131, 530n23-24 (PB) |
"Mormon males" were encouraged to take plural wives "of the Lamanites and Nephites" in order to make them "white, delightsome and just." |
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132 (PB) |
"Although Smith never took any Lamanites as wives, he did begin establishing what would gradually become a fairly large harem of young girls and women taken from his flock of "white and delightsome" disciples." |
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132, 530-531n29-36 (PB) |
Joseph's first polyamous union was with Fanny Alger. |
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133, 531n37-40 (PB) |
William McLellin reported that Joseph and Fanny were found "in the barn together alone..." |
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133, n42 (PB) |
The statement on marriage in the 1835 D&C was "an attempt to cover-up the Smith-Alger affair." |
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135, 531n45 (PB) |
"The mad rush to acquire land in hopes of cashing in on it at a later date consumed the thoughts of nearly every Saint, including Smith." |
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135, 531n46-48 |
Joseph is said to have owned "one hundred and forty acres of land adjoining the temple besides his four acres of business property." |
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531n48 |
Isaac McWithy was "brought to trial before the church's High Council for insolence" after he "refused to sell his land to Joseph for $3000." |
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135 (PB) |
"Smith decided to solve his economic dilemma by establishing a bank for the purpose of land speculation." |
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136, 532n51 (PB) |
Joseph Smith is said to have claimed that "God told him that the bank was to be opened." |
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136, 532n54 (PB) |
The bank was backed only by boxes "filled with 'sand,lead, old iron, stone, and combustibles...'" |
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136, 532n56 |
"As one historian has commented, "[e]veryone's pockets bulged with bills." |
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