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The following claims (highlighted in '''bold''') are simply absurd. | The following claims (highlighted in '''bold''') are simply absurd. | ||
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| − | |23||"LDS documents are '''strangely silent''' about their prophet's activities during the three years immediately following his 1820 First Vision."||Why would there be any "LDS documents" dealing with Joseph's life between 1820 to 1823? The Church didn't even exist until 1830, and Joseph wrote the stories of his First Vision and Moroni's visit well after 1823. The author simply wants to dramatically set the stage to talk about [[Joseph Smith and money digging|Joseph's money digging]] activities. | + | | |
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| + | ||"LDS documents are '''strangely silent''' about their prophet's activities during the three years immediately following his 1820 First Vision."||Why would there be any "LDS documents" dealing with Joseph's life between 1820 to 1823? The Church didn't even exist until 1830, and Joseph wrote the stories of his First Vision and Moroni's visit well after 1823. The author simply wants to dramatically set the stage to talk about [[Joseph Smith and money digging|Joseph's money digging]] activities. | ||
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| − | |74||The author claims that the Book of Mormon "'''describes Arabia as being 'bountiful' because of its fruit and wild honey'''. The fact is that Arabia has never had bountiful supplies of either fruit or honey." | + | | |
| − | ||This is an absurd statement to make. The Book of Mormon does not describe Arabia as being bountiful in fruit and honey. It talks of a ''specific place'' within the Arabian peninsula which was bountiful in fruit | + | ====74==== |
| + | ||The author claims that the Book of Mormon "'''describes Arabia as being 'bountiful' because of its fruit and wild honey'''. The fact is that Arabia has never had bountiful supplies of either fruit or honey." | ||
| + | ||This is an absurd statement to make. The Book of Mormon does not describe Arabia as being bountiful in fruit and honey. It talks of a ''specific place'' within the Arabian peninsula which was bountiful in fruit and honey—such a location does indeed exist. | ||
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| − | |51||"Until '''well into the late 1800s it was widely understood''' that Smith found the golden plates not by a dream, or a ghost, or a vision—but by looking into his peep-stone and seeing where they had been deposited. {{ea}} | + | | |
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| + | ||"Until '''well into the late 1800s it was widely understood''' that Smith found the golden plates not by a dream, or a ghost, or a vision—but by looking into his peep-stone and seeing where they had been deposited. {{ea}} | ||
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*Widely understood?? The author cites several second-hand sources...from 1850s! | *Widely understood?? The author cites several second-hand sources...from 1850s! | ||
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*Orasmus Turner, ''History of the Pioneer Settlement of Phelps and Gorham's Purchase, and Morris Reserve. (1852) | *Orasmus Turner, ''History of the Pioneer Settlement of Phelps and Gorham's Purchase, and Morris Reserve. (1852) | ||
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| + | ||"'''More spirit children means more power, which in turn pushes a Mormon male further up the hierarchical ladder of gods in our universe.'''" | ||
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*Where did this idea come from? This is never taught in Church... | *Where did this idea come from? This is never taught in Church... | ||
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| − | |288||"Unlike most men, however, Jesus did not need these wives, nor temple rituals to become a god. He became a god befoe coming to earth through perfect obedience to Elohim's commands. '''For others the road to godhood is far more difficult and takes considerably longer'''." | + | | |
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| + | ||"Unlike most men, however, Jesus did not need these wives, nor temple rituals to become a god. He became a god befoe coming to earth through perfect obedience to Elohim's commands. '''For others the road to godhood is far more difficult and takes considerably longer'''." | ||
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*The author has no idea how Jesus Christ became a god, and his statement actually implies that Latter-day Saints believe that it is ''more difficult'' for men to achieve such a thing ''than it was for Jesus Christ himself''! This is an arrogant statement. In his effort to ridicule the statements of past LDS leaders such as Orson Pratt, the author makes a comment which completely ignores Christ's suffering for us through His atonement. | *The author has no idea how Jesus Christ became a god, and his statement actually implies that Latter-day Saints believe that it is ''more difficult'' for men to achieve such a thing ''than it was for Jesus Christ himself''! This is an arrogant statement. In his effort to ridicule the statements of past LDS leaders such as Orson Pratt, the author makes a comment which completely ignores Christ's suffering for us through His atonement. | ||
Revision as of 23:08, 26 December 2008
| Loaded and prejudicial language | A FAIR Analysis of: Criticism of Mormonism/Books/One Nation Under Gods A work by author: Richard Abanes
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Absurd claims
The following claims (highlighted in bold) are simply absurd.
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"LDS documents are strangely silent about their prophet's activities during the three years immediately following his 1820 First Vision." | Why would there be any "LDS documents" dealing with Joseph's life between 1820 to 1823? The Church didn't even exist until 1830, and Joseph wrote the stories of his First Vision and Moroni's visit well after 1823. The author simply wants to dramatically set the stage to talk about Joseph's money digging activities. | None |
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The author claims that the Book of Mormon "describes Arabia as being 'bountiful' because of its fruit and wild honey. The fact is that Arabia has never had bountiful supplies of either fruit or honey." | This is an absurd statement to make. The Book of Mormon does not describe Arabia as being bountiful in fruit and honey. It talks of a specific place within the Arabian peninsula which was bountiful in fruit and honey—such a location does indeed exist. | None |
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"Until well into the late 1800s it was widely understood that Smith found the golden plates not by a dream, or a ghost, or a vision—but by looking into his peep-stone and seeing where they had been deposited. (emphasis added) |
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"More spirit children means more power, which in turn pushes a Mormon male further up the hierarchical ladder of gods in our universe." |
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"Unlike most men, however, Jesus did not need these wives, nor temple rituals to become a god. He became a god befoe coming to earth through perfect obedience to Elohim's commands. For others the road to godhood is far more difficult and takes considerably longer." |
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