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Revision as of 21:06, 26 May 2021
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Contents
- 1 A review of claims made in Dr. Robert Ritner's three-episode interview with John Dehlin
- 2 Claims about the Book of Abraham Generally
- 3 Antiquity of the Book of Abraham
- 3.2 FAIR's Response
- 3.3 The author(s) of Mormon Stories #1339: Dr. Robert Ritner - An Expert Egyptologist Translates the Book of Abraham Pt 1 make(s) the following claim:
A review of claims made in Dr. Robert Ritner's three-episode interview with John Dehlin
Summary: On July 31, 2020, critic John Dehlin was joined by Dr. Robert Ritner, an egyptologist at the University of Chicago and long-time critic of the Book of Abraham, to discuss the Book of Abraham and its authenticity. Dehlin and Dr. Ritner spent over twelve hours discussing different aspects of the Book of Abraham. This page was created as an index to all the major arguments made and to provide responses to claims that FAIR already had written material for. More responses will be forthcoming. Ritner spends most of his time criticizing the Book of Abraham generally but attempts character assassinations on Dr. John Gee of BYU and Michael Rhodes—former professor at BYU—and their scholarship on the Book of Abraham. This response will focus specifically on claims made about the Book of Abraham.
Thus we are reviewing the claims made in the following three episodes of Mormon Stories podcast:
- Mormon Stories #1339: Dr. Robert Ritner - An Expert Egyptologist Translates the Book of Abraham Pt 1
- Mormon Stories #1340: Dr. Robert Ritner - An Expert Egyptologist Translates the Book of Abraham Pt 2
- Mormon Stories #1341: Dr. Robert Ritner - An Expert Egyptologist Translates the Book of Abraham Pt 3
Claims about the Book of Abraham Generally
The author(s) of Mormon Stories #1339: Dr. Robert Ritner - An Expert Egyptologist Translates the Book of Abraham Pt 1 make(s) the following claim:
Ep. 1: 92:16-92:25 - These fragments date between the third century BCE and the first century BCE long after Abraham lived.
FAIR's Response
Fact checking results: This claim is based upon correct information - The author is providing knowledge concerning some particular fact, subject, or event
The surviving fragments of the papyri in Joseph Smith's possession and from which he may have translated the Book of Abraham date to anywhere between the third century BCE and the first century AD. But this does not have to deter us from believing that Abraham could have played a role in the authorship of the Book of Abraham.Antiquity of the Book of Abraham
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The author(s) of Mormon Stories #1339: Dr. Robert Ritner - An Expert Egyptologist Translates the Book of Abraham Pt 1 make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of Mormon Stories #1339: Dr. Robert Ritner - An Expert Egyptologist Translates the Book of Abraham Pt 1 make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of Mormon Stories #1339: Dr. Robert Ritner - An Expert Egyptologist Translates the Book of Abraham Pt 1 make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of Mormon Stories #1340: Dr. Robert Ritner - An Expert Egyptologist Translates the Book of Abraham Pt 2 make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
Claims about the Translation Process
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
Claims about the Kirtland Egyptian Papers
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
Claims about Chapter 1 of the Book of Abraham
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
Claims about Facsimile 1 Generally
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
Claims about Specific Figures in Facsimile 1
Claims about Facsimile 2 Generally
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided
FAIR's Response
The author(s) of 8: The Mormon Proposition make(s) the following claim:
Fred Karger states that Latter-day Saints "didn’t allow blacks in the Church until 1978."Author's sources:
- No source provided