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+ | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Books/American Massacre/Index/Chapter 10#Response to claim: 129 - Will Bagley claimed that Mountain Meadows was known among the Mormons as "a preferred location for the quiet execution of unpleasant tasks"|Response to claim: 129 - Will Bagley claimed that Mountain Meadows was known among the Mormons as "a preferred location for the quiet execution of unpleasant tasks"]] | ||
+ | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Books/American Massacre/Index/Chapter 10#Response to claim: 129 - Will Bagley claimed that Mountain Meadows was known among the Mormons as "a preferred location for the quiet execution of unpleasant tasks"|Response to claim: 129 - Will Bagley claimed that Mountain Meadows was known among the Mormons as "a preferred location for the quiet execution of unpleasant tasks"]] | ||
+ | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Books/American Massacre/Index/Chapter 10#Response to claim: 131 - The author claims that "numerous apostates" were traveling with the Fancher Train by the time it reached Mountain Meadows|Response to claim: 131 - The author claims that "numerous apostates" were traveling with the Fancher Train by the time it reached Mountain Meadows]] | ||
+ | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Books/American Massacre/Index/Chapter 10#Response to claim: 133- The author claims that William Bateman, who had weeks earlier been "threatened with excommunication for apostasy," was given a chance to redeem himself by "carrying out church orders at Mountain Meadows"|Response to claim: 133- The author claims that William Bateman, who had weeks earlier been "threatened with excommunication for apostasy," was given a chance to redeem himself by "carrying out church orders at Mountain Meadows"]] | ||
+ | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Books/American Massacre/Index/Chapter 10#Response to claim: 135 -"The recommendation of the many apostates in the camp would never be known, or whether they considered their fellow Mormons capable of such cold-blooded treachery"|Response to claim: 135 -"The recommendation of the many apostates in the camp would never be known, or whether they considered their fellow Mormons capable of such cold-blooded treachery"]] | ||
+ | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Books/American Massacre/Index/Chapter 10#Response to claim: 136a - The author claims that Joseph Smith "had his first vision in 1820" and then three years later reported that he was "surrounded by 'a pillar of light' during a visitation from the angel Moroni"|Response to claim: 136a - The author claims that Joseph Smith "had his first vision in 1820" and then three years later reported that he was "surrounded by 'a pillar of light' during a visitation from the angel Moroni"]] | ||
+ | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Books/American Massacre/Index/Chapter 10#Response to claim: 136b - The author claims that Brigham Young called his enemies "Christians" and that the Latter-day Saints left Nauvoo, Illinois because they "had been unable to live in peace with their neighbors"|Response to claim: 136b - The author claims that Brigham Young called his enemies "Christians" and that the Latter-day Saints left Nauvoo, Illinois because they "had been unable to live in peace with their neighbors"]] | ||
+ | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Books/American Massacre/Index/Chapter 10#Response to claim: 136g - Did Brigham order the rock cairn memorial at the scene of the massacre dismantled?|Response to claim: 136g - Did Brigham order the rock cairn memorial at the scene of the massacre dismantled?]] | ||
+ | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Books/American Massacre/Index/Chapter 10#Response to claim: 137 - The author claims that the "Mormon apostate refugees" were "blood atoned"|Response to claim: 137 - The author claims that the "Mormon apostate refugees" were "blood atoned"]] | ||
+ | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Books/American Massacre/Index/Chapter 10#Response to claim: 141 - "Neither that tally nor any later count would include the Mormon "backouts" murdered that day"|Response to claim: 141 - "Neither that tally nor any later count would include the Mormon "backouts" murdered that day"]] | ||
+ | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Books/American Massacre/Index/Chapter 10#Response to claim: 141 - John D. Lee claimed that Brigham Young advised them to claim that the massacre was performed by Indians alone|Response to claim: 141 - John D. Lee claimed that Brigham Young advised them to claim that the massacre was performed by Indians alone]] | ||
+ | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Books/American Massacre/Index/Chapter 10#Response to claim: 142 - The "scheme to blame the atrocity on the Indians" is claimed to have been conceived and crafted "with the characteristic meticulousness for which Brigham Young was famous"|Response to claim: 142 - The "scheme to blame the atrocity on the Indians" is claimed to have been conceived and crafted "with the characteristic meticulousness for which Brigham Young was famous"]] | ||
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− | ==Response to claim: 129 | + | ==Response to claim: 129 - Will Bagley claimed that Mountain Meadows was known among the Mormons as "a preferred location for the quiet execution of unpleasant tasks"== |
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Will Bagley claimed that Mountain Meadows was known among the Mormons as "a preferred location for the quiet execution of unpleasant tasks." | Will Bagley claimed that Mountain Meadows was known among the Mormons as "a preferred location for the quiet execution of unpleasant tasks." | ||
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* {{CriticalWork:Bagley:Blood of the Prophets|pages=121}} | * {{CriticalWork:Bagley:Blood of the Prophets|pages=121}} | ||
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+ | * Bagley's errors, negative reviews, and bias are discussed on the page dedicated to his book. It becomes obvious that the author of this work simply relies on Bagley's interpretation, and provides no independent evaluation of the evidence. | ||
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− | ==Response to claim: 131 | + | ==Response to claim: 131 - The author claims that "numerous apostates" were traveling with the Fancher Train by the time it reached Mountain Meadows== |
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The author claims that "numerous apostates" were traveling with the Fancher Train by the time it reached Mountain Meadows. | The author claims that "numerous apostates" were traveling with the Fancher Train by the time it reached Mountain Meadows. | ||
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+ | {{propaganda|This claim is repeated frequently until the source is revealed later. See below. | ||
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− | ==Response to claim: 133 | + | ==Response to claim: 133- The author claims that William Bateman, who had weeks earlier been "threatened with excommunication for apostasy," was given a chance to redeem himself by "carrying out church orders at Mountain Meadows"== |
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The author claims that William Bateman, who had weeks earlier been "threatened with excommunication for apostasy," was given a chance to redeem himself by "carrying out church orders at Mountain Meadows." According to "Prophet Heber Kimball," Bateman was placed "in the front ranks" to be put "to the test." | The author claims that William Bateman, who had weeks earlier been "threatened with excommunication for apostasy," was given a chance to redeem himself by "carrying out church orders at Mountain Meadows." According to "Prophet Heber Kimball," Bateman was placed "in the front ranks" to be put "to the test." | ||
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− | *{{ | + | *{{JDfairwiki|author=Heber C. Kimball|disc=70|vol=4|start=375}} |
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+ | {{disinformation|The author is making a huge assumption here. Heber says, | ||
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Some who have been apostates for years past are beginning to come back to us; and, inasmuch as they did not stand and be valiant for the truth, we are now going to place them in the front ranks, and put them to the test. | Some who have been apostates for years past are beginning to come back to us; and, inasmuch as they did not stand and be valiant for the truth, we are now going to place them in the front ranks, and put them to the test. | ||
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− | ==Response to claim: 135 | + | ==Response to claim: 135 -"The recommendation of the many apostates in the camp would never be known, or whether they considered their fellow Mormons capable of such cold-blooded treachery"== |
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{{AuthorQuote|The recommendation of the many apostates in the camp would never be known, or whether they considered their fellow Mormons capable of such cold-blooded treachery.}} | {{AuthorQuote|The recommendation of the many apostates in the camp would never be known, or whether they considered their fellow Mormons capable of such cold-blooded treachery.}} | ||
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+ | {{propaganda|The author ''again'' mentions the numerous "apostates" that she believes were part of the Fancher party, yet she provides no evidence of this. | ||
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==Response to claim: 136a - The author claims that Joseph Smith "had his first vision in 1820" and then three years later reported that he was "surrounded by 'a pillar of light' during a visitation from the angel Moroni"==== | ==Response to claim: 136a - The author claims that Joseph Smith "had his first vision in 1820" and then three years later reported that he was "surrounded by 'a pillar of light' during a visitation from the angel Moroni"==== | ||
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− | ==Response to claim: 136b | + | ==Response to claim: 136b - The author claims that Brigham Young called his enemies "Christians" and that the Latter-day Saints left Nauvoo, Illinois because they "had been unable to live in peace with their neighbors"== |
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Chapter 9 | A FAIR Analysis of: American Massacre: The Tragedy at Mountain Meadows A work by author: Sally Denton
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Will Bagley claimed that Mountain Meadows was known among the Mormons as "a preferred location for the quiet execution of unpleasant tasks."Author's sources: * Will Bagley, Blood of the Prophets: Brigham Young and the Massacre at Mountain Meadows (University of Oklahoma Press, 2002), 121.
- Compare treatment in Blood of the Prophets: p. 121.
The author claims that "numerous apostates" were traveling with the Fancher Train by the time it reached Mountain Meadows.Author's sources: *No source provided.
The author claims that William Bateman, who had weeks earlier been "threatened with excommunication for apostasy," was given a chance to redeem himself by "carrying out church orders at Mountain Meadows." According to "Prophet Heber Kimball," Bateman was placed "in the front ranks" to be put "to the test."Author's sources: *Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 4:375.
Some who have been apostates for years past are beginning to come back to us; and, inasmuch as they did not stand and be valiant for the truth, we are now going to place them in the front ranks, and put them to the test.
This has nothing to do with William Bateman, and nothing to do with Mountain Meadows.
Author's quote: The recommendation of the many apostates in the camp would never be known, or whether they considered their fellow Mormons capable of such cold-blooded treachery.Author's sources: *No source provided.
(Photo caption) The author claims that Joseph Smith "had his first vision in 1820" and then three years later reported that he was "surrounded by 'a pillar of light' during a visitation from the angel Moroni."Author's sources: *No source provided (unsurprisingly).
(Photo caption) The author claims that Brigham Young called his enemies "Christians" and that the Latter-day Saints left Nauvoo, Illinois because they "had been unable to live in peace with their neighbors."Author's sources: * No source provided.
(Photo caption) Did Brigham order the rock cairn memorial at the scene of the massacre dismantled?Author's sources: * No source provided
The author claims that the "Mormon apostate refugees" were "blood atoned."Author's sources: *Anna Jean Backus, Mountain Meadows Witness: The Life and Times of Bishop Philip Klingensmith (Arthur H. Clark Co, 1996), 136.
Author's quote: Neither that tally nor any later count would include the Mormon "backouts" murdered that day.Author's sources: * No source provided [ATTENTION!]?
John D. Lee claimed that Brigham Young advised them to claim that the massacre was performed by Indians alone.Author's sources: *Lee, 251.
{{misinformation|It is unsurprising that Lee, one of the ringleaders, would wish to blame the murders or cover-up on his ecclesiastical superiors.
The "scheme to blame the atrocity on the Indians" is claimed to have been conceived and crafted "with the characteristic meticulousness for which Brigham Young was famous."Author's sources: *Author's opinion.
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