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Contents

Response to claims made in "Chapter 8: Big Trouble In Little Missouri"


A FAIR Analysis of:
One Nation Under Gods
A work by author: Richard Abanes
The Missourians actually seemed committed to continuing their pursuit of a peaceful co-existence with the Mormons.
One Nation Under Gods, p. 155
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147 - The author claims that "Twenty-first century Mormonism" promotes the idea that Cain, Abel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, and Noah lived in Missouri

The author(s) of One Nation Under Gods make(s) the following claim:

The author claims that "Twenty-first century Mormonism" promotes the idea that Cain, Abel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, and Noah lived in Missouri.

Author's sources: *No source provided.

FAIR's Response

It would be safe to say that Twenty-first century Latter-day Saints rarely discuss this issue. Nineteenth century and early twentieth century Latter-day Saints may have speculated on this.

150, 535n18 (PB) - Did Oliver Cowdery accuse Joseph of having a "dirty, nasty, filthy affair" with Fanny Alger?

The author(s) of One Nation Under Gods make(s) the following claim:

Did Oliver Cowdery accuse Joseph of having a "dirty, nasty, filthy affair" with Fanny Alger?

Author's sources: Oliver Cowdery, letter to Warren Cowdery, January 21, 1838.

FAIR's Response

  1. REDIRECTFanny Alger was Joseph Smith's first plural wife#Did some of Joseph Smith's associates believe that he had an affair with Fanny Alger?

151, 537n29-33 (PB) - Did Joseph allow the formation of the Danites?

The author(s) of One Nation Under Gods make(s) the following claim:

Did Joseph allow the formation of the Danites?

Author's sources: *Hill 75.
  • William Edwin Berrett, The Restored Church, 198.
  • Sampson Avard, Correspondence, Orders, 97-98.
  • Winn, 123.
  • David Whitmer, An Address to All Believers in Christ, 27-28.

FAIR's Response

Question: Did Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon support the formation of a vigilante band called the Danites?

The Danites are sometimes confused with the “Armies of Israel,” which was the official defensive organization that was tasked with defending the Saints

The Danites were a brotherhood of church members that formed in Far West, Missouri in mid-1838. By this point in time, the Saints had experienced serious persecution, having been driven out of Kirtland by apostates, and driven out of Jackson County by mobs. Sidney Rigdon was publicly preaching that the Saints would not tolerate any more persecution, and that both apostates and mobs would be put on notice. The Danite organization took root within this highly charged and defensive environment.

The Danites are sometimes confused with the “Armies of Israel,” which was the official defensive organization that was tasked with defending the Saints, and which was supported by Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon. This is complicated by the fact that members of the Danite organization also served in the “Armies of Israel.”

Although Joseph Smith was aware of the intent of the Danites to cleanse the Church of "evil," he rejected the illegal activities of the Danite band

Regardless of their original motives, the Danites ultimately were led astray by their leader, Sampson Avard. Avard attempted to blame Joseph Smith in order to save himself. Joseph, however, clearly repudiated both the organization and Avard.


151, 537n35-36 (PB) - Did Sidney Rigdon give public approval to the Danites during a speech he delivered on June 17, 1838?

The author(s) of One Nation Under Gods make(s) the following claim:

Did Sidney Rigdon give public approval to the Danites during a speech he delivered on June 17, 1838?

Author's sources:
  • Winn, 124.
  • Reed Peck, Reed Peck Manuscript, 3.

FAIR's Response

Fact checking results: The author has stated erroneous information or misinterpreted their sources

Rigdon did not mention the Danite band in his speech, although it may have inspired them to act.

Question: When was the Danite band formed and why?

Sidney Rigdon gave a speech against dissenters on 17 June 1838 in Far West known as the "Salt Sermon"

Rigdon's speech was directly targeted at dissenters within the Church, and strongly implied that they should leave.

Leland H. Gentry,

The first official encouragement given to removing these "dissenters" from Caldwell County came in the form of a speech given by Sidney Rigdon on Sunday, 17 June 1838. Familiarly known in church history annals as the "Salt Sermon," Rigdon's address remains one of the controversial events of the period.[1]:423

Gentry notes John Corrill's description of the sermon,

President Rigdon delivered from the pulpit what I call the "Salt Sermon;" 'If the salt hath lost its savour, it is thenceforth good for nothing but to be cast out and trodden under the feet of men,' was his text; and although he did not call names in his sermon, yet it was plainly understood that he meant the dissenters or those who had denied the faith. He indirectly accused some of them with crime.[2]

The Danites appear to have been formally created about the time that Sidney Rigdon gave his “Salt Sermon” in Far West

The Danites were led by Dr. Sampson Avard, and the group appears to have been formally formed about the time that Sidney Rigdon gave his “Salt Sermon” in Far West, in which he gave apostates an ultimatum to get out or suffer consequences.[1]:4 According to Avard, the original purpose of the band was to “drive from the county of Caldwell all that dissented from the Mormon church.”[3]:25 Once the dissenters had left the country, the Danites turned their attention to defending the Saints from mobs.


537n30 (PB) - "Such historical revisionism is typical of Mormon historians, who must at all costs, preserve the integrity of early Mormon leaders"

The author(s) of One Nation Under Gods make(s) the following claim:

 Author's quote: "Such historical revisionism is typical of Mormon historians, who must at all costs, preserve the integrity of early Mormon leaders."

Author's sources: Author's opinion.

FAIR's Response

Fact checking results: This claim is false

The author is expressing his negative opinion as if it were fact.

152, 538n39 (PB)

Claim
  • Did Joseph write in his private journal that he was aware of the Danite's purpose? Were these words then crossed out so that they wouldn't appear in the history of the Church?

Author's source(s)
  • Joseph Smith, Missouri Journal, 1838, March to September, under July 27, 1838. Reprinted in Jessee, The Papers of Joseph Smith, vol. 2, 262.
Response

154, 538n49 (PB)

Claim
  • D. Michael Quinn claimed that the Danites numbered between 800 and 1000 people.

Author's source(s)
Response

155 - "The Missourians actually seemed committed to continuing their pursuit of a peaceful co-existence with the Mormons"

The author(s) of One Nation Under Gods make(s) the following claim:

 Author's quote: "The Missourians actually seemed committed to continuing their pursuit of a peaceful co-existence with the Mormons."

Author's sources: *Author's opinion.

FAIR's Response

Fact checking results: This claim is false

The claim is absurd. The Missourians had drawn up a manifesto calling for the Mormons to be driven out.

156 - Did Latter-day Saints plan to "take over" by voting?

The author(s) of One Nation Under Gods make(s) the following claim:

Did Latter-day Saints plan to "take over" by voting?

Author's sources: Author's opinion.

FAIR's Response

156-157, 539n61 (PB) - the Saints were "horse thieves, liars, counterfeiters, and dupes"

The author(s) of One Nation Under Gods make(s) the following claim:

 Author's quote: "...calling their attention to the fact that the Saints were 'horse thieves, liars, counterfeiters, and dupes.'"

Author's sources: LeSueur, 61.

FAIR's Response

159 - According to the author, after driving the Saints from their homes, Bogart started to threaten the Saints "in their own territory"

The author(s) of One Nation Under Gods make(s) the following claim:

According to the author, after driving the Saints from their homes, Bogart started to threaten the Saints "in their own territory."

Author's sources: *Author's statement.

FAIR's Response

  • Does the author mean to imply that those "Mormons" who were driven "from their homes" were not living "in their own territory?"
  • Absurd claims

166

Claim
  • The book fails to mention how General Lucas ordered Alexander Doniphan to execute Joseph Smith and other Church leaders at Far West, and how Doniphan refused to do so because he considered it "cold blooded murder."

Author's source(s)
  • N/A
Response

167

Claim
  •  Author's quote: "...the evidence clearly revealed that Joseph had directed most, if not all, of the illegal activities in which the Saints had been engaged."

Author's source(s)
  • Author's opinion.
Response
Notes
  1. 1.0 1.1 Leland H. Gentry, ""The Danite Band of 1838"," Brigham Young University Studies 14 no. 4 (1974).
  2. John Corrill, A Brief History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Commonly Called Mormons) (1839), 31. Cited in Gentry, "The Danite Band", 423.
  3. Document Containing the Correspondence, Orders &c. in Relation to the Disturbances with the Mormons; And the Evidence Given Before the Hon. Austin A. King, Judge of the Fifth Judicial Circuit of the State of Missouri, at the Court-House in Richmond, in a Criminal Court of Inquiry, Begun November 12, 1838, on the Trial of Joseph Smith, Jr., and Others, for High Treason and Other Crimes Against the State., (1841) U.S. Government Printing Office.