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Contents
- 1 Response to claims made in "Chapter 4: Polytheism Reborn"
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- 1.2 Claim The author states that "not only does the LDS church teach that there are three gods in the Godhead, but that there are other gods as well."
- 1.3 Claim The author claims that the LDS church teaches that "God has not always been God."
- 1.4 Claim The author states that the Old and New Testaments say that there is "only one absolute, holy God."
- 1.5 Question: Does the doctrine that God has a physical body contradict the Bible?
- 1.5.1 A growing consensus of scholars recognizes that God, as depicted in the Bible, is embodied
- 1.5.2 It is incorrect to imply that God cannot be in human form, since a fundamental doctrine of Christianity is that Jesus is God, made flesh
- 1.5.3 These verses say nothing about the nature or form of God—they merely assert that God is not like man in certain ways
- 1.6 Claim The author states that the Bible cannot be used to attribute human characteristics (body parts) to God, and that John declared that "God is a spirit."
- 1.7 Claim That author states that Mormons believe in an "infinite regress" of gods, and that if this is true, then "no gods could have ever come to exist."
- 1.8 Claim The author states that nothing in the scriptures indicates that God has a wife.
- 1.9 Claim The author discusses the Mormon concept that "Jesus and Lucifer are our older brothers."
- 1.10 Claim The author asks, "Do Men become Gods?"
- 1.11 Claim The author notes that Mormons do not believe that the world was created "out of nothing."
- 1.12 Claim The author claims that the Book of Mormon does not support a plurality of gods.
Response to claims made in "Chapter 4: Polytheism Reborn"
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Chapter 5: Confronting the Mormon Jesus |
Claim
The author states that "not only does the LDS church teach that there are three gods in the Godhead, but that there are other gods as well."
Author's source(s)
Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine (1979) 576-77.
Response
Polytheism
Summary: Some non-LDS Christian claim that Latter-day Saints are polytheists because we don't believe the Nicene Creed. Others say Mormons are polytheists because they believe humans can become gods. Is this an accurate characterization of LDS belief?
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Claim
The author claims that the LDS church teaches that "God has not always been God."
Response
Unchanging
Summary: Does the Book of Mormon refute Joseph Smith on the nature of God? Critics point out that the Book of Mormon never says God was once a mortal. In fact, it teaches that God was always God. Take for instance Moroni 8:18. It says God is "unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity." Joseph Smith, however, taught, "We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and take away the veil so that you may see."
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Claim
The author states that the Old and New Testaments say that there is "only one absolute, holy God."
Response
"No God beside me"
Summary: Some Christians claim that the Mormon doctrine of the Godhead and belief in theosis are not compatible with multiple statements in Isaiah that "beside [the Lord] there is no God." These passages include Isaiah 43:10-11; Isaiah 44:6,8; Isaiah 45:5-6; Isaiah 45:21-22; and Isaiah 46:9-10.
47 - The author states that Joseph Smith taught that God was once a "finite man on another world"
The author(s) of Mormonism Unmasked make(s) the following claim:
The author states that Joseph Smith taught that God was once a "finite man on another world."Author's sources: Joseph Fielding Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith (1977) 345-46.
FAIR's Response
Question: Does the doctrine that God has a physical body contradict the Bible?
A growing consensus of scholars recognizes that God, as depicted in the Bible, is embodied
The overwhelming academic consensus is that God, as depicted in the Bible, is embodied. Several books that you can read bare this out:
- Kamionkowski, S. Tamar and Wonil Kim, eds. Bodies, Embodiment, and Theology of the Hebrew Bible. New York: T&T Clark International, 2010.
- Halton, Charles. A Human-Shaped God: Theology of an Embodied God. Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 2021.
- Wilson, Brittany E. The Embodied God: Seeing the Divine in Luke-Acts and the Early Church. New York: Oxford University Press, 2021.
- Wagner, Andreas. God's Body: The Anthropomorphic God in the Old Testament. Trans. Marion Salzmann. New York: T&T Clark, 2019.
- Markschies, Christoph. God's Body: Jewish, Christian, and Pagan Images of God. Waco, TX: Baylor University Press, 2019.
- Sommer, Benjamin D. The Bodies of God and the World of Ancient Israel. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press, 2011.
- Stavarakopolou, Francesca. God: An Anatomy. New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 2021.
This last book, God: An Anatomy, was helpfully reviewed by Latter-day Saint scholar and apologist Daniel C. Peterson. Peterson commends and gives some cautions regarding the book that may apply more generally to the books just listed. We recommend seeing his review cited below.[1]
It is incorrect to imply that God cannot be in human form, since a fundamental doctrine of Christianity is that Jesus is God, made flesh
Mormons believe that God has a physical body and human form. Does scripture which says that "God is not a man" (e.g. Numbers 23:19, 1 Samuel 15:29, Hosea 11:9) contradict this idea?
These scriptures read (emphasis added):
- "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man [i.e., a human being], that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?" - Numbers 23:19
- "And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent." - 1 Samuel 15:29
- I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city. - Hosea 11:9
The first passage, in Numbers, not only says that "God is not a man", but it also says that God is not "the son of man." If a Christian were to claim from this passage that God is not a man, they would have to consistently claim that God is also not a "son of man." This of course contradicts many New Testament statements about Jesus (who is God) to the contrary. Though there are many examples, one should suffice. Jesus says, "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Matthew 12:40 Therefore, we know that the passage from Numbers is not suggesting that God is fundamentally not a "son of man", but rather that God is not a "son of man" in the sense that God doesn't have need for repentance. The next logical step requires us to conclude that the passage is not suggesting that God is fundamentally "not a man", but that God is not a man in the sense that God does not lie.
These verses say nothing about the nature or form of God—they merely assert that God is not like man in certain ways
God will not lie or change his declared course, unlike humans. As the NET translation of 1 Samuel says, "The Preeminent One of Israel does not go back on his word or change his mind, for he is not a human being who changes his mind.”
It is incorrect to imply that God cannot be in human form—the fundamental doctrine of Christianity is that Jesus is God, made flesh. One would have to assume that these verses also apply to Jesus, when they clearly do not. Jesus may be in human form, but he will not sin, or change his mind from doing his father's will.
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Claim
The author states that the Bible cannot be used to attribute human characteristics (body parts) to God, and that John declared that "God is a spirit."
Author's source(s)
John 4:24
Response
God is a Spirit?
Summary: Critics object to the LDS position that God has a physical body by quoting John 4:24: "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
Claim
That author states that Mormons believe in an "infinite regress" of gods, and that if this is true, then "no gods could have ever come to exist."
Author's source(s)
Not provided
Response
Infinite regress of Gods
Summary: Is it true that LDS doctrine teaches a "genealogy of gods," in which God the Father had/has a God, and this God had a God, and so forth? If so, how does LDS doctrine deal with the problem of an "infinite regress" of "great-great-grandfather Gods"?
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Claim
The author states that nothing in the scriptures indicates that God has a wife.
Response
Heavenly Mother
Summary: Do Latter-day Saints believe in a female divine person, a "Heavenly Mother" as counterpart to God, the Heavenly Father? Are we allowed to pray to our "Heavenly Mother?" It is claimed that LDS belief in a "queen of heaven" is a pagan belief, and that the concept of a "Heavenly Mother" has no support in LDS scripture.
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Claim
The author discusses the Mormon concept that "Jesus and Lucifer are our older brothers."
Response
Brother of Satan?
Summary: It is claimed that the LDS consider Jesus and Satan to be "brothers," thus lowering the stature of Christ, or elevating Satan. Some go so far as to imply that the LDS "really" worship or revere Satan, and are thus not true "Christians."
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Claim
The author asks, "Do Men become Gods?"
Response
Deification of man
Summary: It is claimed that the doctrine of human deification is unbiblical, false, and arrogant. Related claims include: 1) Mormons believe they will 'supplant God', 2) Belief in theosis, or human deification, implies more than one "god," which means Mormons are "polytheists," 3) The Mormon concept of "human deification" is a pagan belief derived from Greek philosophy.
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Claim
The author notes that Mormons do not believe that the world was created "out of nothing."
Response
Creatio ex nihilo
Summary: Mainstream Christianity teaches that God created the universe from nothing (ex nihilo), while Mormons teach that God organized the universe from pre-existing matter. The LDS God is therefore claimed to be "less powerful" than the God of mainstream Christianity, or "unbiblical."
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Claim
The author claims that the Book of Mormon does not support a plurality of gods.
Response
Modalism in the Book of Mormon?
Summary: It is claimed that the Book of Mormon teaches the trinitarian heresy of modalism or Sabellianism. This reading misinterprets some Book of Mormon verses, and ignores Book of Mormon texts which clearly contradict this reading.
- ↑ Daniel C. Peterson, "An Unexpected Case for an Anthropomorphic God," Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship 50 (2022): vii–xx.