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|claim=The author states, "Not only is the manual deceptive in disclosing whether or not Brigham Young was a polygamist but it’s deceptive in hiding Brigham Young’s real teaching on marriage: “The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy.” – Journal of Discourses 11:269" | |claim=The author states, "Not only is the manual deceptive in disclosing whether or not Brigham Young was a polygamist but it’s deceptive in hiding Brigham Young’s real teaching on marriage: “The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy.” – Journal of Discourses 11:269" | ||
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Note: Avoid sensationalism and speculation when talking about plural marriage. Sometimes teachers speculate that plural marriage will be a requirement for all who enter the celestial kingdom. We have no knowledge that plural marriage will be a requirement for exaltation. | Note: Avoid sensationalism and speculation when talking about plural marriage. Sometimes teachers speculate that plural marriage will be a requirement for all who enter the celestial kingdom. We have no knowledge that plural marriage will be a requirement for exaltation. | ||
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— [http://www.lds.org/manual/doctrine-and-covenants-and-church-history-seminary-teacher-resource-manual/nauvoo-period/doctrine-and-covenants-132?lang=eng "Doctrine and Covenants 132"], ''Doctrine and Covenants and Church History: Seminary Teacher Resource Manual'', found on lds.org. (Intellectual Reserve, 2001, [updated 2005]). | — [http://www.lds.org/manual/doctrine-and-covenants-and-church-history-seminary-teacher-resource-manual/nauvoo-period/doctrine-and-covenants-132?lang=eng "Doctrine and Covenants 132"], ''Doctrine and Covenants and Church History: Seminary Teacher Resource Manual'', found on lds.org. (Intellectual Reserve, 2001, [updated 2005]). | ||
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− | *This quotation is often used in critical sources. They do not include the surrounding text which explains what Brigham Young had in mind on this occasion: | + | *{{Answer}} This quotation is often used in critical sources. They do not include the surrounding text which explains what Brigham Young had in mind on this occasion: |
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We wish to obtain all that father Abraham obtained. I wish here to say to the Elders of Israel, and to all the members of this Church and kingdom, that it is in the hearts of many of them to wish that the doctrine of polygamy was not taught and practiced by us...It is the word of the Lord, and I wish to say to you, and all the world, that if you desire with all your hearts to obtain the blessings which Abraham obtained, you will be polygamists at least in your faith, or you will come short of enjoying the salvation and the glory which Abraham has obtained. This is as true as that God lives. You who wish that there were no such thing in existence, if you have in your hearts to say: "We will pass along in the Church without obeying or submitting to it in our faith or believing this order, because, for aught that we know, this community may be broken up yet, and we may have lucrative offices offered to us; we will not, therefore, be polygamists lest we should fail in obtaining some earthly honor, character and office, etc,"—the man that has that in his heart, and will continue to persist in pursuing that policy, will come short of dwelling in the presence of the Father and the Son, in celestial glory. <span style="color:blue">The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy.</span> Others attain unto a glory and may even be permitted to come into the presence of the Father and the Son; but they cannot reign as kings in glory, because they had blessings offered unto them, and they refused to accept them.{{ref|by1}} {{ea}} | We wish to obtain all that father Abraham obtained. I wish here to say to the Elders of Israel, and to all the members of this Church and kingdom, that it is in the hearts of many of them to wish that the doctrine of polygamy was not taught and practiced by us...It is the word of the Lord, and I wish to say to you, and all the world, that if you desire with all your hearts to obtain the blessings which Abraham obtained, you will be polygamists at least in your faith, or you will come short of enjoying the salvation and the glory which Abraham has obtained. This is as true as that God lives. You who wish that there were no such thing in existence, if you have in your hearts to say: "We will pass along in the Church without obeying or submitting to it in our faith or believing this order, because, for aught that we know, this community may be broken up yet, and we may have lucrative offices offered to us; we will not, therefore, be polygamists lest we should fail in obtaining some earthly honor, character and office, etc,"—the man that has that in his heart, and will continue to persist in pursuing that policy, will come short of dwelling in the presence of the Father and the Son, in celestial glory. <span style="color:blue">The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy.</span> Others attain unto a glory and may even be permitted to come into the presence of the Father and the Son; but they cannot reign as kings in glory, because they had blessings offered unto them, and they refused to accept them.{{ref|by1}} {{ea}} | ||
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− | *It is clear that Brigham was making several points: | + | *{{Answer}} It is clear that Brigham was making several points: |
**The command to practice plural marriage is from God, and it is wrong to seek to abolish a command from God. | **The command to practice plural marriage is from God, and it is wrong to seek to abolish a command from God. | ||
**To obtain the blessings of Abraham, the Saints were required to be "polygamists at least in your faith": i.e., it was not necessary that each enter into plural marriage ''in practice'', but that they accept that God spoke to His prophets. | **To obtain the blessings of Abraham, the Saints were required to be "polygamists at least in your faith": i.e., it was not necessary that each enter into plural marriage ''in practice'', but that they accept that God spoke to His prophets. |
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Contents
- 1 Response to "Other Concerns & Questions"
- 1.1 Quick Navigation
- 1.2 Response Section
- 1.2.1 2013 Official Declaration 2 Header Update Dishonesty
- 1.2.2 "Zina Diantha Huntington Young"
- 1.2.3 "Brigham Young Sunday School Manual"
- 1.2.4 "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy"
- 1.2.5 Church Finances
- 1.2.6 Tithing
- 1.2.7 Names of the Church
- 1.2.8 "Some things that are true are not very useful"
- 1.2.9 "Criticizing leaders"
- 1.2.10 "the scary internet"
- 1.2.11
- 1.2.12 "Going after members who publish or share their questions, concerns, and doubts"
- 1.2.13 Strengthening the Church Members Committee
- 1.2.14 "When the prophet speaks the debate is over"
Response to "Other Concerns & Questions"
[[../Scriptures Concerns & Questions|Scriptures Concerns & Questions]] | A FAIR Analysis of:
[[../|Letter to a CES Director]] |
[[../Conclusion|Conclusion]] |
- Response to section: 2013 Official Declaration 2 Header Update Dishonesty
- Response to section: "Zina Diantha Huntington Young"
- Response to section: "Brigham Young Sunday School Manual"
- Response to section: "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy"
- Response to section: "Church Finances"
- Response to section: "Tithing"
- Response to section: "Names of the Church"
- Response to section: "Some things that are true are not very useful"
- Response to section: "Criticizing leaders"
- Response to section: "the scary internet"
- Response to section: "Going after members who publish or share their questions, concerns, and doubts"
- Response to section: Strengthening the Church Members Committee
- Response to section: "When the prophet speaks the debate is over"
Response Section
2013 Official Declaration 2 Header Update Dishonesty
"Zina Diantha Huntington Young"
"Brigham Young Sunday School Manual"
"The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy"
Church Finances
Tithing
Names of the Church
"Some things that are true are not very useful"
"Criticizing leaders"
"the scary internet"
Strengthening the Church Members Committee
"When the prophet speaks the debate is over"
== Notes ==
- [note] Samuel Katich, "A Tale of Two Marriage Systems: Perspectives on Polyandry and Joseph Smith," Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research, 2003.