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*[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Letter to a CES Director/Science Concerns & Questions#"Jonah and the whale"|Response to section: "Jonah and the whale"]] {{InProgress}} | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Letter to a CES Director/Science Concerns & Questions#"Jonah and the whale"|Response to section: "Jonah and the whale"]] {{InProgress}} | ||
*[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Letter to a CES Director/Science Concerns & Questions#"People turning into salt in Sodom & Gomorrah"|Response to section: "People turning into salt in Sodom & Gomorrah"]] {{InProgress}} | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Letter to a CES Director/Science Concerns & Questions#"People turning into salt in Sodom & Gomorrah"|Response to section: "People turning into salt in Sodom & Gomorrah"]] {{InProgress}} | ||
| − | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Letter to a CES Director/Science Concerns & Questions#"the sun getting its light from Kolob"|Response to section: "the sun getting its light from Kolob"]] | + | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Letter to a CES Director/Science Concerns & Questions#"the sun getting its light from Kolob"|Response to section: "the sun getting its light from Kolob"]] |
*[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Letter to a CES Director/Science Concerns & Questions#"They carried honey bees across the ocean? Swarms of them?"|Response to section: "They carried honey bees across the ocean? Swarms of them?"]] {{InProgress}} | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Letter to a CES Director/Science Concerns & Questions#"They carried honey bees across the ocean? Swarms of them?"|Response to section: "They carried honey bees across the ocean? Swarms of them?"]] {{InProgress}} | ||
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|claim=The author states, "Facsimile 2, Figure #5 states the sun gets its light from Kolob. We now know that the process of nuclear fusion is what makes the stars and suns shine. With the discovery of quantum mechanics, scientists learned that the sun’s source of energy is internal, and not external. The sun shines because of thermonuclear fusion; not because it gets its light from any other star as claimed by the Book of Abraham." | |claim=The author states, "Facsimile 2, Figure #5 states the sun gets its light from Kolob. We now know that the process of nuclear fusion is what makes the stars and suns shine. With the discovery of quantum mechanics, scientists learned that the sun’s source of energy is internal, and not external. The sun shines because of thermonuclear fusion; not because it gets its light from any other star as claimed by the Book of Abraham." | ||
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| − | *Joseph did not say that "the sun gets its light from Kolob," he said "this is one of the governing planets also, and is said by the Egyptians to be the Sun, and '''to borrow its light from Kolob through the medium of Kae-e-vanrash'''." | + | *Joseph did not say that "the sun gets its light from Kolob," he said "this is one of the governing planets also, and is said by the Egyptians to be the Sun, and '''to borrow its light from Kolob through the medium of Kae-e-vanrash'''." This is not a statement that "the sun gets its light from Kolob." |
| − | *There are many scriptures or statements by the prophets that seem to have scientific implications. Unfortunately, they are never couched in modern scientific terms and their meanings are often very obscure. | + | *The suggestion that Abraham taught that the photons leaving the surface of the sun originally came from Kolob is incorrect. There are many scriptures or statements by the prophets that seem to have scientific implications. Unfortunately, they are never couched in modern scientific terms and their meanings are often very obscure. |
| − | + | *We simply do not know precisely what Joseph meant by this interpretation. However, it is possible to speculate on some possible interpretations and note some of the questions that it raises: | |
**First, to “borrow” means to receive with the intention of returning, especially said of a material object or substance. It may also mean to take and adopt as one’s own, especially said of abstractions or ideas, as in “the composer borrowed his harmonic structure from Bach’s Fugue in D Major.” So what does it mean for the sun to “borrow” its light from Kolob? Is light a material or an abstraction? Does the Sun intend to repay the light it borrowed? | **First, to “borrow” means to receive with the intention of returning, especially said of a material object or substance. It may also mean to take and adopt as one’s own, especially said of abstractions or ideas, as in “the composer borrowed his harmonic structure from Bach’s Fugue in D Major.” So what does it mean for the sun to “borrow” its light from Kolob? Is light a material or an abstraction? Does the Sun intend to repay the light it borrowed? | ||
**What, in fact, is meant by 'light' in this context? Doctrine & Covenants 88:7–13, in wording strongly reminiscent of our Book of Abraham quote, states “7 ...this is the light of Christ. As also he is in the sun, and the light of the sun, and the power thereof by which it was made. 8 As also he is in the moon, and is the light of the moon, and the power thereof by which it was made; 9 As also the light of the stars, and the power thereof by which they were made; 10 And the earth also, and the power thereof, even the earth upon which you stand. 11 <b>And the light which shineth, which giveth you light</b>, is through him who enlighteneth your eyes, which <b>is the same light that quickeneth your understandings</b>; 12 Which light proceedeth forth from the presence of God to fill the immensity of space — 13 <b>The light which is in all things, which giveth life to all things, which is the law by which all things are governed</b>, even the power of God who sitteth upon his throne, who is in the bosom of eternity, who is in the midst of all things (emphasis added).” These verses are clearly NOT talking about electromagnetic radiation. Does anyone have a convincing explanation of what they ARE talking about? | **What, in fact, is meant by 'light' in this context? Doctrine & Covenants 88:7–13, in wording strongly reminiscent of our Book of Abraham quote, states “7 ...this is the light of Christ. As also he is in the sun, and the light of the sun, and the power thereof by which it was made. 8 As also he is in the moon, and is the light of the moon, and the power thereof by which it was made; 9 As also the light of the stars, and the power thereof by which they were made; 10 And the earth also, and the power thereof, even the earth upon which you stand. 11 <b>And the light which shineth, which giveth you light</b>, is through him who enlighteneth your eyes, which <b>is the same light that quickeneth your understandings</b>; 12 Which light proceedeth forth from the presence of God to fill the immensity of space — 13 <b>The light which is in all things, which giveth life to all things, which is the law by which all things are governed</b>, even the power of God who sitteth upon his throne, who is in the bosom of eternity, who is in the midst of all things (emphasis added).” These verses are clearly NOT talking about electromagnetic radiation. Does anyone have a convincing explanation of what they ARE talking about? | ||
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A FAIR Analysis of the online document Letter to a CES Director section "Science Concerns & Questions"
- Response to section: "no death of any kind (humans, all animals, birds, fish, dinosaurs, etc.) on this earth until the 'Fall of Adam'"
- Response to section: "If Adam and Eve are the first humans, how do we explain the 14 other Hominin species who lived and died 35,000 – 250,000 years before Adam?" [Work in Progress]
- Response to section: "Science has proven that there was no worldwide flood 4,500 years ago"
- Response to section: "Tower of Babel" [Work in Progress]
- Response to section: "People living to be 600+ years old" [Work in Progress]
- Response to section: "Humans and animals having their origins from Noah’s family and the animals contained in the ark 4,500 years ago." [Work in Progress]
- Response to section: "Jonah and the whale" [Work in Progress]
- Response to section: "People turning into salt in Sodom & Gomorrah" [Work in Progress]
- Response to section: "the sun getting its light from Kolob"
- Response to section: "They carried honey bees across the ocean? Swarms of them?" [Work in Progress]