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==A FAIR Analysis of the online document ''Letter to a CES Director'' section "Scriptures Concerns & Questions"== | ==A FAIR Analysis of the online document ''Letter to a CES Director'' section "Scriptures Concerns & Questions"== | ||
*[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Letter to a CES Director/Scriptures Concerns & Questions#D&C 132|Response to section: D&C 132]] {{InProgress}} | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Letter to a CES Director/Scriptures Concerns & Questions#D&C 132|Response to section: D&C 132]] {{InProgress}} | ||
| − | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Letter to a CES Director/Scriptures Concerns & Questions#Numbers 31|Response to section: Numbers 31]] | + | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Letter to a CES Director/Scriptures Concerns & Questions#Numbers 31|Response to section: Numbers 31]] |
*[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Letter to a CES Director/Scriptures Concerns & Questions#1 Nephi 4|Response to section: 1 Nephi 4]] {{InProgress}} | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Letter to a CES Director/Scriptures Concerns & Questions#1 Nephi 4|Response to section: 1 Nephi 4]] {{InProgress}} | ||
*[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Letter to a CES Director/Scriptures Concerns & Questions#Exodus 12:12|Response to section: Exodus 12:12]] {{InProgress}} | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Letter to a CES Director/Scriptures Concerns & Questions#Exodus 12:12|Response to section: Exodus 12:12]] {{InProgress}} | ||
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*[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Letter to a CES Director/Scriptures Concerns & Questions#Judges 19:22-29|Response to section: Judges 19:22-29]] {{InProgress}} | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Letter to a CES Director/Scriptures Concerns & Questions#Judges 19:22-29|Response to section: Judges 19:22-29]] {{InProgress}} | ||
*[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Letter to a CES Director/Scriptures Concerns & Questions#"I’m asked to believe in not only a part-time racist god and a part-time polygamous god but a part-time psychopathic schizophrenic one as well"|Response to section: "I’m asked to believe in not only a part-time racist god and a part-time polygamous god but a part-time psychopathic schizophrenic one as well"]] {{InProgress}} | *[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Letter to a CES Director/Scriptures Concerns & Questions#"I’m asked to believe in not only a part-time racist god and a part-time polygamous god but a part-time psychopathic schizophrenic one as well"|Response to section: "I’m asked to believe in not only a part-time racist god and a part-time polygamous god but a part-time psychopathic schizophrenic one as well"]] {{InProgress}} | ||
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| + | ====Numbers 31==== | ||
| + | {{CESLetterItem | ||
| + | |claim=The author states the following regarding Numbers 31:<br> | ||
| + | "This is truly despicable behavior from God and Moses. Under God’s direction, Moses’ army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some alive, he angrily says: “Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” So they went back and did as Moses – the Lord’s prophet – commanded, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way, they got 32,000 virgins." | ||
| + | |answer= | ||
| + | *The story of the Moses and the Midianites sounds horrific. However, there appears to be a reason why Moses commanded that they be killed. There are indications that Moses viewed the Midianites as being responsible for a plague which was caused by having sexual relations with those individuals ("the matter of Peor"). Note how Moses issued extensive instruction for the purification of anyone or anything coming into contact with these people. The following verses from Numbers 31: | ||
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| + | 15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? | ||
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| + | 16 <span style="color:blue">Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord.</span> | ||
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| + | 17 <span style="color:blue">Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.</span> | ||
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| + | 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. | ||
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| + | 19 <span style="color:blue">And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify both yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day.</span> | ||
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| + | 20 <span style="color:blue">And purify all your raiment, and all that is made of skins, and all work of goats’ hair, and all things made of wood.</span> | ||
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| + | 21 ¶And Eleazar the priest said unto the men of war which went to the battle, This is the ordinance of the law which the Lord commanded Moses; | ||
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| + | 22 Only the gold, and the silver, the brass, the iron, the tin, and the lead, | ||
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| + | 23 <span style="color:blue">Every thing that may abide the fire, ye shall make it go through the fire, and it shall be clean: nevertheless it shall be purified with the water of separation: and all that abideth not the fire ye shall make go through the water.</span> | ||
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| + | 24 <span style="color:blue">And ye shall wash your clothes on the seventh day, and ye shall be clean, and afterward ye shall come into the camp.</span> | ||
| + | </blockquote> | ||
| + | *Regarding "the matter of Peor," here is what the Wikipedia article "Hersay of Peor" states regarding the plague: | ||
| + | <blockquote> | ||
| + | According to the Torah, the Israelites, after spending a short time in the plain of Moab, <span style="color:blue">begin to involve themselves with the Moabite women.</span> Consequently, under the influence of Moabite culture, the Israelites begin whoring after the Moabite gods, and join themselves to Baal Peor (Hebrew בעל פעור Ba‘al Pə‘ôr), in the Septuagint Beelphegôr, a baal associated with Mount Pe‘or. | ||
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| + | YHWH orders Moses to gather the chiefs of the people and hang up the idolaters before Yahweh to turn away Yahweh's anger. The scene then abruptly shifts from concerns about Moabites to those about Midianites. A man — Israelite Zimri, the son of Salu — <span style="color:blue">brings a Midianite woman Cozbi into the camp in the sight of Moses, where the people are weeping. Phinehas, grandson of Aaron, thereupon rises up with a spear, follows the man into the chamber and thrusts the spear through both the man and woman, who were evidently in the act of copulation. The plague, from which 24,000 had died, then ceased to take life.</span> A war with Midian follows later. | ||
| + | </blockquote> | ||
| + | }} | ||
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A FAIR Analysis of the online document Letter to a CES Director section "Scriptures Concerns & Questions"
- Response to section: D&C 132 [Work in Progress]
- Response to section: Numbers 31
- Response to section: 1 Nephi 4 [Work in Progress]
- Response to section: Exodus 12:12 [Work in Progress]
- Response to section: Deuteronomy 21:18-21 [Work in Progress]
- Response to section: Exodus 35:1-2 [Work in Progress]
- Response to section: Numbers 21:5-9
- Response to section: Judges 19:22-29 [Work in Progress]
- Response to section: "I’m asked to believe in not only a part-time racist god and a part-time polygamous god but a part-time psychopathic schizophrenic one as well" [Work in Progress]