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|claim=This image was in the Oct 2006 issue of The Ensign which shows both Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery at the same table with the plates in full view of both of them, which is not what is generally taught in the Church, but perhaps is what is now being promoted. | |claim=This image was in the Oct 2006 issue of The Ensign which shows both Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery at the same table with the plates in full view of both of them, which is not what is generally taught in the Church, but perhaps is what is now being promoted. | ||
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+ | * So, the picture isn't what taught, but is "perhaps" "what is now being promoted"? Talk about waffling. | ||
+ | * Church artists are not, sadly, always experts in the historical evidence of that which they are attempting to illustrate. | ||
+ | * Religious art has a long tradition of using "unhistorical" images to teach a broader point—but, this is not something that works so well nowadays, since we expect photos (and therefore pictures) to be "accurate." | ||
+ | * Part of the problem is that there are multiple stages of Book of Mormon translation—while Joseph and Oliver likely never worked this way, Joseph may have done so alone earlier. | ||
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*Don't we hear in Church about Joseph helping Josiah Stowel search for a lost mine sometimes? [http://www.lds.org/search?query=%22silver+mine%22&lang=eng Yes]. | *Don't we hear in Church about Joseph helping Josiah Stowel search for a lost mine sometimes? [http://www.lds.org/search?query=%22silver+mine%22&lang=eng Yes]. | ||
* Since the treasure-seeking predated his prophetic role, is this surprising? We learn next to nothing about Moses' life in Pharaoh's court. Such things are of historical interest, but have little religious application—save for those like MormonThink who want to persuade us that 'a real prophet would never do that.' This is a form of [[Logical_fallacies/Page_1#Ad%20hominem|ad hominem]] argument, specifically, the "[[Logical_fallacies/Page_1#ad_hominem_abusive|ad hominem abusive]]." | * Since the treasure-seeking predated his prophetic role, is this surprising? We learn next to nothing about Moses' life in Pharaoh's court. Such things are of historical interest, but have little religious application—save for those like MormonThink who want to persuade us that 'a real prophet would never do that.' This is a form of [[Logical_fallacies/Page_1#Ad%20hominem|ad hominem]] argument, specifically, the "[[Logical_fallacies/Page_1#ad_hominem_abusive|ad hominem abusive]]." | ||
+ | |link=Joseph Smith/Money digging | ||
+ | |subject=Treasure seeking | ||
+ | |summary=Was Joseph Smith's engagement in "money digging" or looking for buried treasure a blot on his character? | ||
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|claim=The following describes Joseph's treasure seeking for Josiah Stowel. It is from Joseph Smith's 1826 court transcript when he was brought up on charges as a disorderly person and imposter. | |claim=The following describes Joseph's treasure seeking for Josiah Stowel. It is from Joseph Smith's 1826 court transcript when he was brought up on charges as a disorderly person and imposter. | ||
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− | * Did you know that Josiah Stowel testified strongly in Joseph's defense? | + | * Did you know that Josiah Stowel testified strongly in Joseph's defense? That he joined the Church are remained a faithful member for his entire life? |
− | * | + | * Did you know that this wasn't a "trial," but a preliminary hearing? |
+ | * Those who brought the case may have been motivated by religious prejudice? | ||
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+ | <blockquote>We don't know why Peter G. Bridgman brought the charges, but it could easily have been because he was worried that his uncle was accepting Joseph Smith in his religious claims. Josiah did join the church organized by Joseph Smith and stayed faithful his whole life. As for Peter Bridgman, "Within a month after the trial he was licensed as an exhorter by the Methodists and within three years had helped establish the West Bainbridge Methodist Church. Upon his death in 1872 his fellow ministers characterized him as 'an ardent Methodist and any attack upon either the doctrines or the polity of the Methodist Episcopal Church, within his field of labor, was sure to be repelled by him with a vigorous hand."{{ref|fn21}}</blockquote> | ||
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+ | Is it possible that the trial of Joseph Smith was just one of his first attempts to apply a "vigorous hand?" | ||
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|link=Joseph Smith/Legal issues/Trials/1826 glasslooking trial | |link=Joseph Smith/Legal issues/Trials/1826 glasslooking trial | ||
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#{{note|rev.book.1}} {{Book:Jensen Woodford Harper:Manuscript Revelation Books:Facsimile Edition|pages=4,11-15}} | #{{note|rev.book.1}} {{Book:Jensen Woodford Harper:Manuscript Revelation Books:Facsimile Edition|pages=4,11-15}} | ||
+ | #{{note|fn21}} {{Periodical:Walters:Joseph Smith's Bainbridge Court Trials|pages=141–142}} |
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We don't know why Peter G. Bridgman brought the charges, but it could easily have been because he was worried that his uncle was accepting Joseph Smith in his religious claims. Josiah did join the church organized by Joseph Smith and stayed faithful his whole life. As for Peter Bridgman, "Within a month after the trial he was licensed as an exhorter by the Methodists and within three years had helped establish the West Bainbridge Methodist Church. Upon his death in 1872 his fellow ministers characterized him as 'an ardent Methodist and any attack upon either the doctrines or the polity of the Methodist Episcopal Church, within his field of labor, was sure to be repelled by him with a vigorous hand."[1]
Is it possible that the trial of Joseph Smith was just one of his first attempts to apply a "vigorous hand?"
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