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{{Epigraph|[W]hen I read the Book of Mormon or Pearl of Great Price, I harbor the suspicion that they represent a nineteenth-century encounter with God rather than an ancient epic.<br> | {{Epigraph|[W]hen I read the Book of Mormon or Pearl of Great Price, I harbor the suspicion that they represent a nineteenth-century encounter with God rather than an ancient epic.<br> | ||
—''An Insider's View of Mormon Origins'', p. 36.}} | —''An Insider's View of Mormon Origins'', p. 36.}} | ||
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Contents
- 1 Response to claims made in "Chapter 1: Joseph Smith as Translator/Revelator"
- 1.3 Claim
- Illustrations show Joseph Smith translating the plates directly.
- Joseph Smith used a seer stone that he placed in his hat.
- The plates were often not nearby while Joseph translated them.
- It is claimed that Oliver attempted to translate using a divining rod.
- Oliver would ask questions of his divining rod in faith and it would move.
- Alterations in a different handwriting on the 116 pages would have been readily apparent.
- Joseph was brought to court three times for stone gazing.
- Peter Ingersoll reported that he heard Joseph acknowledge to Isaac Hale that he was never able to see anything in his seer stone.
- After he lost the manuscript, Joseph is claimed to have become more vague regarding the method of translation.
- Joseph is claimed to have altered the Book of Mormon to modify the description of God and Jesus to be separate beings.
- It is claimed that scholars have determined that Joseph consulted an open Bible during translation.
- The book claims that Joseph copied errors from the King James Bible.
- None of Joseph's changes to the Bible have been supported by manuscript finds.
- Some of Joseph's changes to the Bible are claimed to contradict LDS beliefs
- Joseph is said to have evolved his concept of the Father and Son.
- The hieroglyphics next to facsimile 1 state that Hor is the deceased man lying on the altar.
- Joseph is claimed to have used this papyrus as his source for Abraham 1 through 2:18.
- Near facsimile 3, Hor's name appears at the top and bottom.
- Joseph is claimed to have expanded Abraham's curse to include denial of priesthood ordination to blacks.
- Joseph is claimed to have gotten the story for the Book of Abraham from Josephus.
- Joseph's interpretations have been shown by Egyptologists as a mis-reading of the papyri.
- The book claims that a primary source for much of Abraham is Genesis.
- From 1820 to 1834 Joseph is claimed to have believed in one God.
- The astronomical concepts in Abraham were common in Joseph Smith's environment
- Joseph's theology was said to have been influenced by Thomas Dick's Philosophy of a Future State.
- It is claimed that it is easy to identify the Book of Joseph from the papyrus fragments.
- Kinderhook plates.
- Joseph is claimed to have translated a Greek psalter.
- Joseph is claimed to have mistranslated a number of documents.
Response to claims made in "Chapter 1: Joseph Smith as Translator/Revelator"
| A FAIR Analysis of: An Insider's View of Mormon Origins A work by author: Grant Palmer
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Claims made in "Chapter 2: Authorship of the Book of Mormon" |
[W]hen I read the Book of Mormon or Pearl of Great Price, I harbor the suspicion that they represent a nineteenth-century encounter with God rather than an ancient epic.
—An Insider's View of Mormon Origins, p. 36.
1
Claim
- Joseph claimed to translate the Kinderhook plates.
Author's source(s) - No source provided
1
Claim
- Illustrations show Joseph Smith translating the plates directly.
Author's source(s) - Ensign, Dec. 1983, inside cover, 25; Jan. 1988, 4, 9; Nov. 1988, 35, 46; July 1993, 62; Jan. 1997, 38; Aug. 1997, 11; July 1999, 41.
2
Claim
- Joseph Smith used a seer stone that he placed in his hat.
Author's source(s) - Van Wagoner and Walker, "Joseph Smith: 'The Gift of Seeing,'" Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought 15 (Summer 1982): 50-53.
2-3
Claim
- The plates were often not nearby while Joseph translated them.
Author's source(s) - Joseph Smith III, "Last Testimony of Sister Emma," Saints' Herald, 1 Oct. 1879, 290; Howe, "Affidavit of Isaac Hale", Mormonism Unvailed, 265;
- Martin Harris, interview by John A. Clark, 1828, in The Episcopal Recorder (Philadelphia), 5 Sept. 1840, 94; quoted in Vogel, Early Mormon Documents, 2:266;
- Joseph Smith Sr., interview by Fayette Lapham quoted in Vogel, Early Mormon Documents, 1:464.
6
Claim
- It is claimed that Oliver attempted to translate using a divining rod.
Author's source(s) - DC 8꞉6-8; Book of Commandments 7:3.
6
Claim
- Oliver would ask questions of his divining rod in faith and it would move.
Author's source(s) - "Barnes Frisbie account" quoted in Vogel, Early Mormon Documents, 1:603-05, 619-20.
7
Claim
- Alterations in a different handwriting on the 116 pages would have been readily apparent.
Author's source(s) - No source provided.
8
Claim
- Joseph was brought to court three times for stone gazing.
Author's source(s) - Marquardt and Walters, Inventing Mormonism: Tradition and the Historical Record, 70-75, 174-78.
9
Claim
- Peter Ingersoll reported that he heard Joseph acknowledge to Isaac Hale that he was never able to see anything in his seer stone.
Author's source(s) - "Affidavit of Peter Ingersoll", Eber D. Howe, Mormonism Unvailed (Painesville, OH, 1834), [ATTENTION!]. (Affidavits examined)
9
Claim
- After he lost the manuscript, Joseph is claimed to have become more vague regarding the method of translation.
Author's source(s) - No source provided.
9
Claim
- Joseph is claimed to have altered the Book of Mormon to modify the description of God and Jesus to be separate beings.
Author's source(s) Response
10
Claim
- It is claimed that scholars have determined that Joseph consulted an open Bible during translation.
Author's source(s) - No source provided.
10
Claim
- The book claims that Joseph copied errors from the King James Bible.
Author's source(s) - No source provided.
11
Claim
- None of Joseph's changes to the Bible have been supported by manuscript finds.
Author's source(s) - No source provided.
11
Claim
- Some of Joseph's changes to the Bible are claimed to contradict LDS beliefs
Author's source(s) - No source provided.
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12
Claim
- Joseph is said to have evolved his concept of the Father and Son.
Author's source(s) - No source provided.
12
Claim
- The hieroglyphics next to facsimile 1 state that Hor is the deceased man lying on the altar.
Author's source(s) 12
Claim
- Joseph is claimed to have used this papyrus as his source for Abraham 1 through 2:18.
Author's source(s) 13
Claim
- Near facsimile 3, Hor's name appears at the top and bottom.
Author's source(s) 17
Claim
- Joseph is claimed to have expanded Abraham's curse to include denial of priesthood ordination to blacks.
Author's source(s) 17
Claim
- Joseph is claimed to have gotten the story for the Book of Abraham from Josephus.
Author's source(s) 19
Claim
- Joseph's interpretations have been shown by Egyptologists as a mis-reading of the papyri.
Author's source(s) 19
Claim
- The book claims that a primary source for much of Abraham is Genesis.
Author's source(s) 21
Claim
- From 1820 to 1834 Joseph is claimed to have believed in one God.
Author's source(s) 21
Claim
- The astronomical concepts in Abraham were common in Joseph Smith's environment
Author's source(s) 22-24
Claim
- Joseph's theology was said to have been influenced by Thomas Dick's Philosophy of a Future State.
Author's source(s) 29
Claim
- It is claimed that it is easy to identify the Book of Joseph from the papyrus fragments.
Author's source(s) 31
Claim
- Kinderhook plates.
Author's source(s) 34-35
Claim
- Joseph is claimed to have translated a Greek psalter.
Author's source(s) 36
Claim
- Joseph is claimed to have mistranslated a number of documents.
Author's source(s) Further reading
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