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A work by author: Sally Denton

Claims made in "Chapter 8: Deseret, August 3, 1857"

104

Claim
According to the author, deaths in the handcart companies caused "most Salt Lake Mormons" to lay the blame "squarely at Young's feet."

Author's source(s)

  • No source provided.

Response

  •  Mind reading: author has no way of knowing this.



105

Claim
The book discusses the "Mormon Reformation."

Author's source(s)

  • N/A

Response



105

Claim
The author claims that Brigham said that "all backsliders should be 'hewn down'".

Author's source(s)

  • Josiah F. Gibbs, 'The Mountain Meadows Massacre, 8ff

Response
 FAIR WIKI EDITORS: Check sources


105

Claim
A list of thirteen questions was "conceived by Young and expanded by Grant."

Author's source(s)

  • Gustive O. Larson, "The Mormon Reformation," Utah Historical Society Quarterly 26 (January 1958).
  • Hirshson, 155
  • David L. Bigler, Forgotten Kingdom: The Mormon Theocracy in the American West, 1847–1896 (Logan, Utah: Utah State University Press, 1998), 127. (bias and errors) Review.

Response



106

Claim
Blood atonement


Response


106

Claim
Brigham is claimed to have said: "I want their cursed heads cut off that they may atone for their sins."

Author's source(s)

  • Juanita Brooks and Robert Glass Cleland, eds., A Mormon Chronicle, I:98-99.

Response
 [needs work]



106

Claim
The author claims that "those who dared to flee Zion were hunted down and killed."

Author's source(s)

  • Cannon and Knapp, 268.

Response

  •  Internal contradiction: This contradicts what the author said on page 59, where she claims that Brigham said that anyone was "free to leave."



106

Claim
The killing of William R. Parrish, "an elderly Mormon in high standing."

Author's source(s)

  • Cannon and Knapp, 268.

Response


106

Claim
Castration of a man by Bishop Warren Snow who was "engaged to a woman Snow wanted to take for a plural wife."

Author's source(s)

  • David L. Bigler, Forgotten Kingdom: The Mormon Theocracy in the American West, 1847–1896 (Logan, Utah: Utah State University Press, 1998), 132. (bias and errors) Review

Response


106

Claim
The author claims that the "bloody regime…ended with [Jedediah] Grant's sudden death, on December 1, 1856."

Author's source(s)

  • David L. Bigler, Forgotten Kingdom: The Mormon Theocracy in the American West, 1847–1896 (Logan, Utah: Utah State University Press, 1998), 133. (bias and errors) Review

Response



108

Claim
Surveyor General David Burr "fled for his life."

Author's source(s)

  • House Exec. Doc. 71, 118-20.

Response



110

Claim
Did Brigham accuse Parley P. Pratt of adultery, as the author claims? The author quotes Brigham's "great-granddaughter" as saying "He was not woman-crazy, but Gospel-crazy."

Author's source(s)

  • Reva Stanley, The Archer of Paradise: A Biography of Parley Pratt, 163.

Response

  •  Misrepresentation of source: Page 163 of the cited work is a generic account of Pratt's death and the circumstances surrounding it, but there is no mention of the material listed here.
  • For a detailed response, see: Parley P. Pratt's murder



110-112

Claim
It is claimed that Parley P. Pratt was killed because he married Elenore McLean when she was not divorced from her husband.

Author's source(s)

  • Reva Stanley, The Archer of Paradise: A Biography of Parley Pratt, 163.
  • Steven Pratt, "Eleanor McLean," 227.
  • Fielding, Unsolicited Chronicler, 382.

Response


112-113

Claim
In Brigham's speech on July 24, 1857, he said that "This American Continent will be Zion...for it is so spoken of by the Prophets." The author interprets this to mean that the "godless American government's moving against them singaled the beginning of their Armageddon scenario" and would result in Brigham's "ascendancy" to rule the Kingdom of God on earth.

Author's source(s)

  • Fielding, Unsolicited Chronicler, 383.

Response



115

Claim
The author claims that "Indian" massacres that occurred in Utah Territory were actually carried out by "white-faced Indians who used Mormon slang."

Author's source(s)

  • No source provided.

Response

  •  Absurd claim: the author needs evidence beside her assertion to prove this point.



115

Claim
Brigham instructed the people to "hoard their grain," according to the author. People were told to "report without delay any person in your District that disposes of a Kernel of grain to any Gentile merchant or temporary sojourner."

Author's source(s)

  • Brooks, Mountain Meadows Massacre, xvii-xviii.

Response



120

Claim
The author claims that "it seem most likely that [Charles] Rich advised the Fancher train to take the Southern Trail."

Author's source(s)

  • Author's opinion.

Response

  • Jacob Hamblin would testify that the Fancher train "being of southern people had preferred to take the southern route."[1]



120

Claim
Brigham is noted as having given a "current sermon" in which he vowed to "turn [the Indians] loose" on the emigrants.

Author's source(s)

  • Basil Parker's memoir, 7.

Response
 FAIR WIKI EDITORS: Check sources


121

Claim
Will Bagley claims that "all information about the emigrants' conduct came from men involved in their murder or cover-up."

Author's source(s)

Response


== Notes ==

  1. [note]  Jacob Hamblin statement in James Henry Carleton, Report on the Subject of the Massacre at the Mountain Meadows, in Utah Territory, in September, 1857 of One Hundred and Twenty Men, women and Children, Who Were from Arkansas (Little Rock, AR: True Democrat Steam press, 1860), 6; cited by Turley, Walker and Leonard, Massacre at Mountain Meadows, 101.