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| − | + | Latter-day Saints claim that the truthfulness of "the LDS Church" and Joseph Smith can be tested using the promise in Moroni 10:4. This test is claimed to be too "subjective" to be valid. | |
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| − | + | Joseph Smith predicted in 1835 that, "The coming of the Lord, which was nigh - even fifty-six years should wind up the scene." Since that didn’t happen by 1891, it suggests Joseph may have been a false prophet.. | |
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| − | * | + | *D&C 37:1 states: "Behold, I say unto you that it is not expedient in me that ye should translate any more until ye shall go to the Ohio, and this because of the enemy and for your sakes." This isn't a ''prophecy'' at all! It is simply instruction for Joesph to stop translating until he goes to Ohio. The authors appear to wish to portray every utterance that Joseph attributed to the Lord as a "prophecy." |
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Revision as of 22:08, 9 March 2010
| Claims made in "False Prophecy in the Doctrine and Covenants" | A FAIR Analysis of: Watchman Fellowship A work by author: James Walker
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Claims made in "The Bible: 1,002 - Book of Mormon: Zero" |
Index of Claims in "Joseph Smith and the Biblical Test of a Prophet"
Claim
Latter-day Saints claim that the truthfulness of "the LDS Church" and Joseph Smith can be tested using the promise in Moroni 10:4. This test is claimed to be too "subjective" to be valid.
Author's source(s)
Response
- For a detailed response, see: Book of Mormon/Moroni's promise
Claim
The true test of a prophet is that all his prophecies come to pass (Deut. 18:20-22), and “…the Bible never recommends prayer as a way of discerning true and false prophets”.
Author's source(s)
Response
- For a detailed response, see: Biblical Keys for Discerning True and False Prophets
Claim
Joseph Smith predicted in 1835 that, "The coming of the Lord, which was nigh - even fifty-six years should wind up the scene." Since that didn’t happen by 1891, it suggests Joseph may have been a false prophet..
Author's source(s)
- History of the Church, Vol. 2 p. 182
Response
- For a detailed response, see: Joseph Smith/Prophecies/Second Coming to be in 1890
Claim
The author claims that Doctrine and Covenants 37:1, which instructs Joseph to stop translating until he goes to Ohio, is a "self-fulfilling prophecy."
Author's source(s)
Response
- D&C 37:1 states: "Behold, I say unto you that it is not expedient in me that ye should translate any more until ye shall go to the Ohio, and this because of the enemy and for your sakes." This isn't a prophecy at all! It is simply instruction for Joesph to stop translating until he goes to Ohio. The authors appear to wish to portray every utterance that Joseph attributed to the Lord as a "prophecy."
Claim
Two unfulfilled “close-dated unconditional prophecies” preserved in Doctrine and Covenants Section 84:3-5 (construction of a temple in MO) and Section 114 (David Patten serving a mission to all the world) prove that Joseph Smith was a false prophet.
Author's source(s)
- DC 114
- History of the Church, Vol. 3, p. 171.
Response
- For a detailed response, see: Joseph Smith/Prophecies/David Patten to serve mission
- For a detailed response, see: Joseph Smith/Prophecies/Independence temple to be built "in this generation"