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===Claims made in "Chapter 3: Thus Saith Joseph"=== | ===Claims made in "Chapter 3: Thus Saith Joseph"=== | ||
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====84, 370n9-11==== | ====84, 370n9-11==== | ||
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| + | The revelations in the ''Book of Commandments'' were modified because they were "showing their age," "contained outdated information," "included erroneous statements" and "abandoned doctrines." Some of the revelations "revealed too much information about LDS beliefs." | ||
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*{{Absurd}}: The revelations were "showing their age" between 1833 and 1835? | *{{Absurd}}: The revelations were "showing their age" between 1833 and 1835? | ||
| − | *[[Doctrine and Covenants | + | *[[Doctrine and Covenants/Textual changes]] |
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*Karl F. Best, "Changes in the Revelations, 1833-1835," ''Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought'' (Spring 1992), vol. 25, no. 1, p. 90. | *Karl F. Best, "Changes in the Revelations, 1833-1835," ''Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought'' (Spring 1992), vol. 25, no. 1, p. 90. | ||
*H. Michael Marquardt, ''The Joseph Smith Revelations: Text & Commentary'', p. 17. | *H. Michael Marquardt, ''The Joseph Smith Revelations: Text & Commentary'', p. 17. | ||
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====85, 371n14==== | ====85, 371n14==== | ||
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| + | Mormons view divine truth as "not absolute or fixed; it is changeable, flexible." | ||
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* {{FalseStatement}}: Latter-day Saints realize that their understanding of divine truth may grow and be enhanced, but this does not mean that the truth is changeable or flexible. | * {{FalseStatement}}: Latter-day Saints realize that their understanding of divine truth may grow and be enhanced, but this does not mean that the truth is changeable or flexible. | ||
* {{SecondaryFact}}: once again, only a hostile author is cited; there are no quotes from LDS sources used to explore their supposed view. | * {{SecondaryFact}}: once again, only a hostile author is cited; there are no quotes from LDS sources used to explore their supposed view. | ||
| − | *[[Changing | + | *[[Church doctrine/Changing]] |
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*{{CriticalWork:Ostling:Mormon America|pages=249}} | *{{CriticalWork:Ostling:Mormon America|pages=249}} | ||
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====87, 370n23==== | ====87, 370n23==== | ||
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| + | Joseph received a "false revelation" through his seer stone to go to Toronto, Canada to sell the Book of Mormon copyright. | ||
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*{{HistoricalError}} | *{{HistoricalError}} | ||
| − | *[[ | + | *[[Book of Mormon/Attempt to sell copyright]] |
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*David Whitmer, ''An Address to All Believers in Christ''. | *David Whitmer, ''An Address to All Believers in Christ''. | ||
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====87, 371n25==== | ====87, 371n25==== | ||
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| − | *[[Doctrine and Covenants | + | Some of the modified revelations had their meanings "reversed." |
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| + | *[[Doctrine and Covenants/Textual changes]] | ||
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*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=5}} | *{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=5}} | ||
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====89, 372n28==== | ====89, 372n28==== | ||
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| − | *[[Doctrine and Covenants | + | Joseph modified the revelation now found in D&C 5:4 to add additional gifts. After translating the Book of Mormon he was not supposed to become a prophet or organize a Church. |
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| + | *[[Doctrine and Covenants/Textual changes]] | ||
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*Karl F. Best, "Changes in the Revelations, 1833-1835," ''Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought (Spring 1992), vol. 25, no.1, p. 98. | *Karl F. Best, "Changes in the Revelations, 1833-1835," ''Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought (Spring 1992), vol. 25, no.1, p. 98. | ||
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====89, 372n29-30==== | ====89, 372n29-30==== | ||
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| + | Joseph modified what is now D&C 8:6-9 to hide Oliver Cowdery's use of a divining rod. | ||
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* {{MindReading}} | * {{MindReading}} | ||
| − | *[[Oliver Cowdery and the "rod of nature"]] | + | *[[Doctrine and Covenants/Oliver Cowdery and the "rod of nature"]] |
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*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Magic World View|pages=206}} | *{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Magic World View|pages=206}} | ||
*H. Michael Marquardt, ''The Joseph Smith Revelations: Text & Commentary'', pp. 14-15. | *H. Michael Marquardt, ''The Joseph Smith Revelations: Text & Commentary'', pp. 14-15. | ||
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====90, 372n34, 375n35==== | ====90, 372n34, 375n35==== | ||
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| + | Apostle William E. McLellin left the Church because he was "shaken by the changes made in the revelations." | ||
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* This explanation (as shown by the dates of the material cited) came long after the fact. The author does not tell us that McLellin said at his excommunication hearing that: | * This explanation (as shown by the dates of the material cited) came long after the fact. The author does not tell us that McLellin said at his excommunication hearing that: | ||
:he said he had no confidence in the presidency of the Church; consequently, he had quit praying and keeping the commandments of the Lord, and indulged himself in his sinful lusts. It was from what he had heard that he believed the presidency had got out of the way, and not from anything that he had seen himself.{{ref|mclellin.1}} | :he said he had no confidence in the presidency of the Church; consequently, he had quit praying and keeping the commandments of the Lord, and indulged himself in his sinful lusts. It was from what he had heard that he believed the presidency had got out of the way, and not from anything that he had seen himself.{{ref|mclellin.1}} | ||
* McLellin had previously been excommunicated for spending time with "a certain harlot" while on a mission.{{ref|mclellin.2}} He had also been out of fellowship for "writing a letter which "cast…censure upon the [first] presidency."{{ref|mclellin.3}} | * McLellin had previously been excommunicated for spending time with "a certain harlot" while on a mission.{{ref|mclellin.2}} He had also been out of fellowship for "writing a letter which "cast…censure upon the [first] presidency."{{ref|mclellin.3}} | ||
* [[Joseph Smith and polygamy/Fanny_Alger_and_William_McLellin#McLellin:_Examining_the_Witness|McLellin: Examining the Witness]] | * [[Joseph Smith and polygamy/Fanny_Alger_and_William_McLellin#McLellin:_Examining_the_Witness|McLellin: Examining the Witness]] | ||
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*"The Early History of the Saints and Their Enemies," Sept. 28, 1875, ''Salt Lake Daily Tribune'', Dec. 5, 1878 <!-- www.lavazone2.com/dbroadhu/UT/tribune1.htm --> | *"The Early History of the Saints and Their Enemies," Sept. 28, 1875, ''Salt Lake Daily Tribune'', Dec. 5, 1878 <!-- www.lavazone2.com/dbroadhu/UT/tribune1.htm --> | ||
*William McLellin, ''Saint's Herald'', vol. 17, pp. 556-557. | *William McLellin, ''Saint's Herald'', vol. 17, pp. 556-557. | ||
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====90==== | ====90==== | ||
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| + | Mormons claim that Biblical writers modified revelations, but cannot provide data to support this. This is an "argument from silence." | ||
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*[[Becoming Gods#Argument from silence?|Argument from silence?]] | *[[Becoming Gods#Argument from silence?|Argument from silence?]] | ||
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*Stephen W. Gibson, ''One-Minute Answers to Anti-Mormon Question'', p. 82 | *Stephen W. Gibson, ''One-Minute Answers to Anti-Mormon Question'', p. 82 | ||
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| − | *[[Book of Abraham/ | + | Joseph Smith turned the "Book of Breathings" into the "Book of Abraham." Joseph claimed that the "Book of the Dead" had been written by Joseph of Egypt. |
| − | *[[Book of Abraham/Papyri]] | + | |response= |
| − | | | + | *[[Book of Abraham/Joseph Smith Papyri/Church disclosure of "Book of the Dead"]] |
| + | *[[Book of Abraham/Joseph Smith Papyri]] | ||
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*No source provided. | *No source provided. | ||
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| − | *[[Book of Abraham/Papyri]] | + | The restoration of the missing portions of Facsimile 1 were "terribly wrong." |
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| + | *[[Book of Abraham/Joseph Smith Papyri]] | ||
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*{{CriticalWork:Larson:By His Own Hand|pages=}} | *{{CriticalWork:Larson:By His Own Hand|pages=}} | ||
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| + | LDS apologists' main purpose is to explain away "any and all criticisms that might damage the validity of Smith's writings." | ||
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*[[Apologetics]] | *[[Apologetics]] | ||
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*Author's opinion. | *Author's opinion. | ||
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| − | *[[Kirtland Egyptian Papers]] | + | Documents show how the hieroglyphs from the papyri were matched to the Book of Abraham text. One or two words in Egyptian were expanded to entire paragraphs in English. |
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| + | *[[Book of Abraham/Joseph Smith Papyri/Kirtland Egyptian Papers]] | ||
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*Richard L. Bushman, "Joseph Smith as Translator'', in Waterman, p. 81. | *Richard L. Bushman, "Joseph Smith as Translator'', in Waterman, p. 81. | ||
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==Endnotes== | ==Endnotes== | ||
Revision as of 23:05, 21 February 2010
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Chapter 4 |
Claims made in "Chapter 3: Thus Saith Joseph"
84, 370n9-11
Claim
The revelations in the Book of Commandments were modified because they were "showing their age," "contained outdated information," "included erroneous statements" and "abandoned doctrines." Some of the revelations "revealed too much information about LDS beliefs."
Author's source(s)
- Karl F. Best, "Changes in the Revelations, 1833-1835," Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought (Spring 1992), vol. 25, no. 1, p. 90.
- H. Michael Marquardt, The Joseph Smith Revelations: Text & Commentary, p. 17.
Response
- Absurd claim: The revelations were "showing their age" between 1833 and 1835?
- Doctrine and Covenants/Textual changes
85, 371n14
Claim
Mormons view divine truth as "not absolute or fixed; it is changeable, flexible."
Author's source(s)
- Richard N. and Joan K. Ostling, Mormon America: The Power and the Promise, (New York:HarperCollins Publishers, 2000), 249. ( Index of claims )
Response
- The author's claim is false: Latter-day Saints realize that their understanding of divine truth may grow and be enhanced, but this does not mean that the truth is changeable or flexible.
- Quotes another author's opinion as if it were fact: once again, only a hostile author is cited; there are no quotes from LDS sources used to explore their supposed view.
- Church doctrine/Changing
87, 370n23
Claim
Joseph received a "false revelation" through his seer stone to go to Toronto, Canada to sell the Book of Mormon copyright.
Author's source(s)
- David Whitmer, An Address to All Believers in Christ.
Response
- History unclear or in error
- Book of Mormon/Attempt to sell copyright
87, 371n25
Claim
Some of the modified revelations had their meanings "reversed."
Author's source(s)
- D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power (Signature Books, 1994), 5.
Response
89, 372n28
Claim
Joseph modified the revelation now found in D&C 5:4 to add additional gifts. After translating the Book of Mormon he was not supposed to become a prophet or organize a Church.
Author's source(s)
- Karl F. Best, "Changes in the Revelations, 1833-1835," Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought (Spring 1992), vol. 25, no.1, p. 98.
Response
89, 372n29-30
Claim
Joseph modified what is now D&C 8:6-9 to hide Oliver Cowdery's use of a divining rod.
Author's source(s)
- D. Michael Quinn, Early Mormonism and the Magic World View, revised and enlarged edition, (Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 1998), 206 ( Index of claims )
- H. Michael Marquardt, The Joseph Smith Revelations: Text & Commentary, pp. 14-15.
Response
- Mind reading: author has no way of knowing this.
- Doctrine and Covenants/Oliver Cowdery and the "rod of nature"
90, 372n34, 375n35
Claim
Apostle William E. McLellin left the Church because he was "shaken by the changes made in the revelations."
Author's source(s)
- "The Early History of the Saints and Their Enemies," Sept. 28, 1875, Salt Lake Daily Tribune, Dec. 5, 1878
- William McLellin, Saint's Herald, vol. 17, pp. 556-557.
Response
- This explanation (as shown by the dates of the material cited) came long after the fact. The author does not tell us that McLellin said at his excommunication hearing that:
- he said he had no confidence in the presidency of the Church; consequently, he had quit praying and keeping the commandments of the Lord, and indulged himself in his sinful lusts. It was from what he had heard that he believed the presidency had got out of the way, and not from anything that he had seen himself.[1]
- McLellin had previously been excommunicated for spending time with "a certain harlot" while on a mission.[2] He had also been out of fellowship for "writing a letter which "cast…censure upon the [first] presidency."[3]
- McLellin: Examining the Witness
- Doctrine_and_Covenants/Textual_changes
90
Claim
Mormons claim that Biblical writers modified revelations, but cannot provide data to support this. This is an "argument from silence."
Author's source(s)
- Stephen W. Gibson, One-Minute Answers to Anti-Mormon Question, p. 82
Response
94
Claim
Joseph Smith turned the "Book of Breathings" into the "Book of Abraham." Joseph claimed that the "Book of the Dead" had been written by Joseph of Egypt.
Author's source(s)
- No source provided.
Response
- Book of Abraham/Joseph Smith Papyri/Church disclosure of "Book of the Dead"
- Book of Abraham/Joseph Smith Papyri
94-98
Claim
The restoration of the missing portions of Facsimile 1 were "terribly wrong."
Author's source(s)
- Charles M. Larson, By His Own Hand Upon Papyrus: A New Look at the Joseph Smith Papyri, 2nd ed., (Grand Rapids, MI: Institute for Religious Research, 1992), .
Response
99
Claim
LDS apologists' main purpose is to explain away "any and all criticisms that might damage the validity of Smith's writings."
Author's source(s)
- Author's opinion.
Response
100
Claim
Documents show how the hieroglyphs from the papyri were matched to the Book of Abraham text. One or two words in Egyptian were expanded to entire paragraphs in English.
Author's source(s)
- Richard L. Bushman, "Joseph Smith as Translator, in Waterman, p. 81.
Response
Endnotes
- [note] "History of William E. McLellin," Millennial Star 26 (1864), 808.; see also Joseph Smith, History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 7 volumes, edited by Brigham H. Roberts, (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1957), 3:31. Volume 3 link
- [note] D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power (Signature Books, 1994), 44.
- [note] "History of William E. McLellin," Millennial Star 26 (1864), 808.; see also Joseph Smith, History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 7 volumes, edited by Brigham H. Roberts, (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1957), 3:31. Volume 3 link