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====225 epigraph, 553-558n1 (PB)====
 
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*A lengthy letter is printed in its entirety in the endnotes. The author says that the letter from Aaron DeWitt was written to his sister Elizabeth Durrant on January 31, 1875 and slipped into a time capsule. The letter talks about murder and plunder in Utah.
 
*A lengthy letter is printed in its entirety in the endnotes. The author says that the letter from Aaron DeWitt was written to his sister Elizabeth Durrant on January 31, 1875 and slipped into a time capsule. The letter talks about murder and plunder in Utah.
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*Source for the letter is an online web address at Saint's Alive (Ed Decker's site): <nowiki>www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/murder.html.</nowiki>
 
*Source for the letter is an online web address at Saint's Alive (Ed Decker's site): <nowiki>www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/murder.html.</nowiki>
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====226, n5====
 
====226, n5====
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*Did Latter-day Saints believe that "America's doom" was sealed the day Joseph died?
 
*Did Latter-day Saints believe that "America's doom" was sealed the day Joseph died?
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|response=
 
* [[../../Notable omissions#226a|Notable omissions: Orson Hyde on the USA]]
 
* [[../../Notable omissions#226a|Notable omissions: Orson Hyde on the USA]]
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*{{JDfairwiki|author=Orson Pratt|disc=30|vol=6|start=204}}.
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Orson Pratt|disc=30|vol=6|start=204}}.
 
*Brigham Young, "Manuscript History of Brigham Young," under July 8, 1849 and August 26, 1849, reprinted in William S. Harwell, ed., ''Manuscript History of Brigham Young, 1847-1850'', 221, 238.
 
*Brigham Young, "Manuscript History of Brigham Young," under July 8, 1849 and August 26, 1849, reprinted in William S. Harwell, ed., ''Manuscript History of Brigham Young, 1847-1850'', 221, 238.
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====227, 558n13====
 
====227, 558n13====
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*Did Broughton D. Harris find that census results for the State of Deseret were "false and exaggerated?"
 
*Did Broughton D. Harris find that census results for the State of Deseret were "false and exaggerated?"
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|response=
 
* [[../../Use of sources/Early federal territorial officials|Early federal territorial officials]]
 
* [[../../Use of sources/Early federal territorial officials|Early federal territorial officials]]
 
* [[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Use_of_sources/Early_federal_territorial_officials#Note_on_Abanes.27_secondary_source:_Bigler|Bigler]], the author's source distorts and misrepresents LDS history on numerous counts.
 
* [[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Use_of_sources/Early_federal_territorial_officials#Note_on_Abanes.27_secondary_source:_Bigler|Bigler]], the author's source distorts and misrepresents LDS history on numerous counts.
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|authorquote=
 
*David L. Bigler, ''Forgotten Kingdom: The Mormon Theocracy in the American West'', 1847-1896, 57-58.
 
*David L. Bigler, ''Forgotten Kingdom: The Mormon Theocracy in the American West'', 1847-1896, 57-58.
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====227-228====
 
====227-228====
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*did Broughton D. Harris, Lemuel G. Brandebury and Justice Perry Brocchus and other federal officials flee Utah because they feared for their lives?
 
*did Broughton D. Harris, Lemuel G. Brandebury and Justice Perry Brocchus and other federal officials flee Utah because they feared for their lives?
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|response=
 
* [[../../Use of sources/Early federal territorial officials|Early federal territorial officials]]
 
* [[../../Use of sources/Early federal territorial officials|Early federal territorial officials]]
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|authorquote=
 
*David L. Bigler, Forgotten Kingdom: The Mormon Theocracy in the American West, 1847-1896, 57-58.
 
*David L. Bigler, Forgotten Kingdom: The Mormon Theocracy in the American West, 1847-1896, 57-58.
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====228, 559n16-18====
 
====228, 559n16-18====
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*David H. Burr reported that "Mr. Troskolowski," had been "assulted and severely beaten by three men under the direction of one Hickman, a noted member of the so-called 'Danite Band.''"  
 
*David H. Burr reported that "Mr. Troskolowski," had been "assulted and severely beaten by three men under the direction of one Hickman, a noted member of the so-called 'Danite Band.''"  
 
*Was the beating order by LDS leaders because Troskolowski was attempting to ensure that twelve-year-old Emma Wheat escaped a planned marriage to a polygamist?
 
*Was the beating order by LDS leaders because Troskolowski was attempting to ensure that twelve-year-old Emma Wheat escaped a planned marriage to a polygamist?
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|response=
 
* The author here references Hirshon's book, which received the 1970 Mormon History Association award for "worst book."{{ref|hirshon.1}}
 
* The author here references Hirshon's book, which received the 1970 Mormon History Association award for "worst book."{{ref|hirshon.1}}
 
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{{nw}}
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|authorquote=
 
*David H. Burr, letter to Thomas A. Hendricks, General Land Office, August 30, 1856, located in the annual land reports of the General Land Office for 1856 and 1857; cf. Nels Anderson, ''Desert Saints: The Mormon Frontier in Utah'', 149.
 
*David H. Burr, letter to Thomas A. Hendricks, General Land Office, August 30, 1856, located in the annual land reports of the General Land Office for 1856 and 1857; cf. Nels Anderson, ''Desert Saints: The Mormon Frontier in Utah'', 149.
 
*Hirshon, 127
 
*Hirshon, 127
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====231====
 
====231====
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*Was the "Mormon reformation" a period of subjugation and brutal acts of violence designed to purge the Church?
 
*Was the "Mormon reformation" a period of subjugation and brutal acts of violence designed to purge the Church?
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|response=
 
 
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
 
* [[../../Absurd claims]]
 
* [[../../Absurd claims]]
 
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*No source provided.
 
*No source provided.
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====232, 559n32====
 
====232, 559n32====
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*Who were Brigham Young's "Destroying Angels?"
 
*Who were Brigham Young's "Destroying Angels?"
 
*Were Porter Rockwell and 'Wild' Bill Hickman the most notorious of these "Destroying Angels?"
 
*Were Porter Rockwell and 'Wild' Bill Hickman the most notorious of these "Destroying Angels?"
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|response=
 
*{{SourceDistortion}}: The cited pages of Hilton's work only describes Hickman as a military leader during the Utah War receiving instruction from Brigham, and a letter he wrote to Brigham denying an accusation.  It says nothing about being one of "Brigham's enforcers."
 
*{{SourceDistortion}}: The cited pages of Hilton's work only describes Hickman as a military leader during the Utah War receiving instruction from Brigham, and a letter he wrote to Brigham denying an accusation.  It says nothing about being one of "Brigham's enforcers."
 
* The author's only other source is Jerald and Sandra Tanner.  They rely heavily on Hickman's ''Brigham's Destroying Angel''.
 
* The author's only other source is Jerald and Sandra Tanner.  They rely heavily on Hickman's ''Brigham's Destroying Angel''.
* [[Crime and violence in Utah]]
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* [[Utah/Crime and violence]]
 
* [[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]]
 
* [[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]]
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*Jerald and Sandra Tanner, "Brigham Young and Wild Bill Hickman," ''Salt Lake City Messenger'' (#77), February 1991.
 
*Jerald and Sandra Tanner, "Brigham Young and Wild Bill Hickman," ''Salt Lake City Messenger'' (#77), February 1991.
 
*Hope A. Hilton, ''"Wild Bill" Hickman and the Mormon Frontier'', 65, 113.
 
*Hope A. Hilton, ''"Wild Bill" Hickman and the Mormon Frontier'', 65, 113.
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====232, 559n33====
 
====232, 559n33====
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*Did Brigham often make favorable comments about his "Destroying Angels?"
 
*Did Brigham often make favorable comments about his "Destroying Angels?"
 
*Brigham said: "We have the meanest devils on the earth in our midst, and we intend to keep them, for we have use for them; and if the Devil does not look sharp, we will cheat him out of them at the last, for they will reform and  go to heaven with us."
 
*Brigham said: "We have the meanest devils on the earth in our midst, and we intend to keep them, for we have use for them; and if the Devil does not look sharp, we will cheat him out of them at the last, for they will reform and  go to heaven with us."
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*No other references are provided to support the idea that Brigham "often commented" on this.
 
*No other references are provided to support the idea that Brigham "often commented" on this.
 
*[[../../Notable omissions#232|Notable omissions: Brigham and the 'meanest devils']]
 
*[[../../Notable omissions#232|Notable omissions: Brigham and the 'meanest devils']]
 
*[[Danites/Danites in anti-Mormon polemic|Danites in anti-Mormon polemic]]
 
*[[Danites/Danites in anti-Mormon polemic|Danites in anti-Mormon polemic]]
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*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=26|vol=6|start=176}}.
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=26|vol=6|start=176}}.
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====233, n36-39====
 
====233, n36-39====
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*Brigham taught "blood atonement."
 
*Brigham taught "blood atonement."
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*[[Blood atonement]]
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*[[Church doctrine/Repudiated/Blood atonement]]
 
*{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
 
*{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
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|authorquote=
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=10|vol=4|start=53|end=54}}.
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=10|vol=4|start=53|end=54}}.
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=35|vol=3|start=247}}.
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=35|vol=3|start=247}}.
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====233-234, 560n40====
 
====233-234, 560n40====
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*Jedediah Grant preached about "Blood Atonement"
 
*Jedediah Grant preached about "Blood Atonement"
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|response=
*[[Blood atonement]]
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*[[Church doctrine/Repudiated/Blood atonement]]
 
*{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
 
*{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
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|authorquote=
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Jedediah Grant|disc=9|vol=4|start=49|end=50}}
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Jedediah Grant|disc=9|vol=4|start=49|end=50}}
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====233, 560n37====
 
====233, 560n37====
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*Did Brigham use the term "cutting off" from the earth as a "euphemism for killing?"
 
*Did Brigham use the term "cutting off" from the earth as a "euphemism for killing?"
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|response=
 
*[[../../Use of sources/Cutting off from the earth|Use of sources: Cutting off from the earth]]
 
*[[../../Use of sources/Cutting off from the earth|Use of sources: Cutting off from the earth]]
* [[Blood atonement]]
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* [[Church doctrine/Repudiated/Blood atonement]]
 
*{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
 
*{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
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|authorquote=
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=10|vol=4|start=53}}
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=10|vol=4|start=53}}
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====234, 560n43====
 
====234, 560n43====
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*Did Jedediah Grant create a list of "highly intrusive" questions so that he could probe members' personal lives?
 
*Did Jedediah Grant create a list of "highly intrusive" questions so that he could probe members' personal lives?
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|response=
 
*The "highly intrusive" list of questions is listed in the endnote, and sounds very much like a temple recommend interview today.
 
*The "highly intrusive" list of questions is listed in the endnote, and sounds very much like a temple recommend interview today.
 
*[[../../Absurd claims#234|Absurd claims: "highly intrusive questions"]]
 
*[[../../Absurd claims#234|Absurd claims: "highly intrusive questions"]]
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
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*Diary of John Moon Clements, under November 4, 1856, as quoted in Gene A. Sessions, ''Mormon Thunder: A Documentary History of Jedediah Morgan Grant'', 220-221.
 
*Diary of John Moon Clements, under November 4, 1856, as quoted in Gene A. Sessions, ''Mormon Thunder: A Documentary History of Jedediah Morgan Grant'', 220-221.
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====234-235, 560n45-46====
 
====234-235, 560n45-46====
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*Did Brigham encourage murder out of "love" in order to save people's souls?
 
*Did Brigham encourage murder out of "love" in order to save people's souls?
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* {{SourceDistortion}}: [[../../Use of sources/Murder unfaithful Mormons to save souls|Use of sources: Murder unfaithful Mormons to save souls]]
 
* {{SourceDistortion}}: [[../../Use of sources/Murder unfaithful Mormons to save souls|Use of sources: Murder unfaithful Mormons to save souls]]
*[[Blood atonement]]
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*[[Church doctrine/Repudiated/Blood atonement]]
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
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|authorquote=
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=42|vol=4|start=219|end=220}}
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=42|vol=4|start=219|end=220}}
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Heber C. Kimball|disc=35|vol=4|start=173|end=174}}
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Heber C. Kimball|disc=35|vol=4|start=173|end=174}}
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====235, 560n47====
 
====235, 560n47====
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*Did Heber C. Kimball claim that the apostles killed Judas?
 
*Did Heber C. Kimball claim that the apostles killed Judas?
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* {{SourceDistortion}}: Heber did not claim the apostles carried out the killing.
 
* {{SourceDistortion}}: Heber did not claim the apostles carried out the killing.
 
*[[../../Use of sources/Apostles killed Judas|Use of sources: Apostles killed Judas?]]
 
*[[../../Use of sources/Apostles killed Judas|Use of sources: Apostles killed Judas?]]
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|authorquote=
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Heber C. Kimball|disc=19|vol=6|start=125|end=126}}
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Heber C. Kimball|disc=19|vol=6|start=125|end=126}}
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====235, 560-561n50====
 
====235, 560-561n50====
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*Did Utah has a long list of crimes that were worthy of death?
 
*Did Utah has a long list of crimes that were worthy of death?
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*[[19th century crimes alleged to be "worthy of death"]]
 
*[[19th century crimes alleged to be "worthy of death"]]
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
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*The author includes a long list of crimes that "called for death." This list is from the Tanners, although the Tanners are not credited for the entire list: They are cited once under the "Intermarriage" entry.
 
*The author includes a long list of crimes that "called for death." This list is from the Tanners, although the Tanners are not credited for the entire list: They are cited once under the "Intermarriage" entry.
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====235====
 
====235====
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*{{AuthorQuote|"Blood began to flow profusely in Utah not long after the reformation was launched."}}
 
*{{AuthorQuote|"Blood began to flow profusely in Utah not long after the reformation was launched."}}
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*{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
 
*{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
 
*[[../../Absurd claims#230|Absurd claims: blood began to flow profusely]]{{nw}}
 
*[[../../Absurd claims#230|Absurd claims: blood began to flow profusely]]{{nw}}
 
*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]]
 
*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]]
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*No source provided.
 
*No source provided.
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====236, n52====
 
====236, n52====
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*After "relating a dream wherein he had slit the throats of two men 'from ear to ear' with a bowie knife" Brigham said: "I say, rather than that apostates should flourish here, I will unsheath my bowie knife, and conquer or die...Now, you nasty apostates, clear out, or judgment will be put on the line, and righteousness to the plummet."
 
*After "relating a dream wherein he had slit the throats of two men 'from ear to ear' with a bowie knife" Brigham said: "I say, rather than that apostates should flourish here, I will unsheath my bowie knife, and conquer or die...Now, you nasty apostates, clear out, or judgment will be put on the line, and righteousness to the plummet."
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* {{InternalContradiction|On p. 238, the author claims apostates were forbidden to leave Utah, yet in this speech Brigham tells violent apostates to leave Utah.  Which is it?  Was Brigham forcing apostates out with threat of violence, or forbidding apostates from leaving?}}
 
* {{InternalContradiction|On p. 238, the author claims apostates were forbidden to leave Utah, yet in this speech Brigham tells violent apostates to leave Utah.  Which is it?  Was Brigham forcing apostates out with threat of violence, or forbidding apostates from leaving?}}
 
*[[../../Use of sources/Brigham and bowie knife|Use of sources: Brigham and bowie knife]]
 
*[[../../Use of sources/Brigham and bowie knife|Use of sources: Brigham and bowie knife]]
*[[Blood atonement]]
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*[[Church doctrine/Repudiated/Blood atonement]]
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
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|authorquote=
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=14|vol=1|start=83}}
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=14|vol=1|start=83}}
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====236-237, 563n53 (HB)====
 
====236-237, 563n53 (HB)====
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*"Apostates certainly were viewed as the worst of sinners, although every reprobate received the same penalty. As Brigham instructed his flock: 'If any miserable scoundrels come here, cut their throats.'" (HB)
 
*"Apostates certainly were viewed as the worst of sinners, although every reprobate received the same penalty. As Brigham instructed his flock: 'If any miserable scoundrels come here, cut their throats.'" (HB)
 
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*"Apostates certainly were viewed as the worst sinners, although every reprobate, risked similar justice. Young once said: "It was asked this morning how we could obtain redress for our wrongs; I will tell you how it could be done, we could take the same law they have taken...and if any miserable scoundrels come here, cut their throats." (PB)
 
*"Apostates certainly were viewed as the worst sinners, although every reprobate, risked similar justice. Young once said: "It was asked this morning how we could obtain redress for our wrongs; I will tell you how it could be done, we could take the same law they have taken...and if any miserable scoundrels come here, cut their throats." (PB)
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|response=
 
*[[../../Use of sources/Brigham Says to "Cut Their Throats"|Use of sources: Brigham Says to "Cut Their Throats"]]
 
*[[../../Use of sources/Brigham Says to "Cut Their Throats"|Use of sources: Brigham Says to "Cut Their Throats"]]
*[[Blood atonement]]
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*[[Church doctrine/Repudiated/Blood atonement]]
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
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|authorquote=
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=47|vol=2|start=311}}.
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=47|vol=2|start=311}}.
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====237, 561n54 (PB)====
 
====237, 561n54 (PB)====
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*Did Brigham not care what the U.S. thought about "killing evil doers?"
 
*Did Brigham not care what the U.S. thought about "killing evil doers?"
 
<blockquote>
 
<blockquote>
 
What do you suppose they would say in old Massachusetts….What would they say in old Connecticut?"" They would raise a universal howl of, 'how wicked the Mormons are; they are killing the evil doers who are among them; why I hear that they kill the wicked away up yonder in Utah.'...What do I care for the wrath of man? No more than I do for the chickens that run in my dooryard.
 
What do you suppose they would say in old Massachusetts….What would they say in old Connecticut?"" They would raise a universal howl of, 'how wicked the Mormons are; they are killing the evil doers who are among them; why I hear that they kill the wicked away up yonder in Utah.'...What do I care for the wrath of man? No more than I do for the chickens that run in my dooryard.
 
</blockquote>
 
</blockquote>
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*Consider the full title of Brigham's discourse:FAITH—PRACTICAL RELIGION—CHASTISEMENT—NECESSITY OF DEVILS. The "necessity of devils" relates to the subject discussed here.  
 
*Consider the full title of Brigham's discourse:FAITH—PRACTICAL RELIGION—CHASTISEMENT—NECESSITY OF DEVILS. The "necessity of devils" relates to the subject discussed here.  
  
 
*[[../../Notable omissions#237|Notable omissions:killing the evil doers]]
 
*[[../../Notable omissions#237|Notable omissions:killing the evil doers]]
*[[Blood atonement]]
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*[[Church doctrine/Repudiated/Blood atonement]]
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
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|authorquote=
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=8|vol=3|start=50}}
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=8|vol=3|start=50}}
 
*Note the typographical error in the quote "the Mormons" as opposed to "those Mormons" in the original source, indicating that the author's version of the quote may have been copied from a secondary source.
 
*Note the typographical error in the quote "the Mormons" as opposed to "those Mormons" in the original source, indicating that the author's version of the quote may have been copied from a secondary source.
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====237, 562n55-56 (PB)====
 
====237, 562n55-56 (PB)====
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*Did Brigham Young have a man named Alonzo Bowman killed simply for "innocently asking about LDS beliefs and the facts behind the Saints' troubles?"
 
*Did Brigham Young have a man named Alonzo Bowman killed simply for "innocently asking about LDS beliefs and the facts behind the Saints' troubles?"
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{{nw}}
 
{{nw}}
 
*The man's name is actually Walter Alonzo Clark Bowman
 
*The man's name is actually Walter Alonzo Clark Bowman
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*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]]
 
*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]]
 
*[[Danites/Danites in anti-Mormon polemic|Danites in anti-Mormon polemic]]
 
*[[Danites/Danites in anti-Mormon polemic|Danites in anti-Mormon polemic]]
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|authorquote=
 
*Quoted in Nelson Winch Green, ''Mormonism: its rise, progress, and present condition. Embracing the narrative of Mrs. [[../../Use_of_sources/Ettie_V._Smith|Mary Ettie V. Smith]]'', 273-275.
 
*Quoted in Nelson Winch Green, ''Mormonism: its rise, progress, and present condition. Embracing the narrative of Mrs. [[../../Use_of_sources/Ettie_V._Smith|Mary Ettie V. Smith]]'', 273-275.
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====238, 562n57-59====
 
====238, 562n57-59====
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*Did Orson Hyde order Jesse Hartly shot and killed, for the crime of "falling in love with, and marrying, a Mormon?"
 
*Did Orson Hyde order Jesse Hartly shot and killed, for the crime of "falling in love with, and marrying, a Mormon?"
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|response=
 
* {{InternalContradiction|On p. 238, the author claims apostates were forbidden to leave Utah, yet in this speech Brigham tells violent apostates to leave Utah.  Which is it?  Was Brigham forcing apostates out with threat of violence, or forbidding apostates from leaving?}}
 
* {{InternalContradiction|On p. 238, the author claims apostates were forbidden to leave Utah, yet in this speech Brigham tells violent apostates to leave Utah.  Which is it?  Was Brigham forcing apostates out with threat of violence, or forbidding apostates from leaving?}}
 
* {{SourceDistortion}}: William "Wild Bill" Hickman would later say that his purported autobiography, ''Brigham's Destroying Angel'', was "a lie from the wild boar story onward."{{ref|mormons.238}}  The story occurs on pages 29&ndash;30.  In any case, the referenced pages say ''nothing'' about a murder of anyone, much less 'Jesse Hartly', who a text search does not reveal mentioned anywhere in the book.
 
* {{SourceDistortion}}: William "Wild Bill" Hickman would later say that his purported autobiography, ''Brigham's Destroying Angel'', was "a lie from the wild boar story onward."{{ref|mormons.238}}  The story occurs on pages 29&ndash;30.  In any case, the referenced pages say ''nothing'' about a murder of anyone, much less 'Jesse Hartly', who a text search does not reveal mentioned anywhere in the book.
 
*In the endnotes, the author quotes Brigham's "[[../../Use of sources/Brigham and bowie knife|bowie knife]]" comment once again.
 
*In the endnotes, the author quotes Brigham's "[[../../Use of sources/Brigham and bowie knife|bowie knife]]" comment once again.
 
* [[../../Use_of_sources/Ettie_V._Smith|Mary Ettie V. Smith]] is not a reliable source.
 
* [[../../Use_of_sources/Ettie_V._Smith|Mary Ettie V. Smith]] is not a reliable source.
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|authorquote=
 
*Quoted in Nelson Winch Green, ''Mormonism: its rise, progress, and present condition. Embracing the narrative of Mrs. [[../../Use_of_sources/Ettie_V._Smith|Mary Ettie V. Smith]]'', 309.
 
*Quoted in Nelson Winch Green, ''Mormonism: its rise, progress, and present condition. Embracing the narrative of Mrs. [[../../Use_of_sources/Ettie_V._Smith|Mary Ettie V. Smith]]'', 309.
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=14|vol=1|start=83}}
 
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=14|vol=1|start=83}}
 
*William Hickman, ''Brigham's Destroying Angel: Being the Life, Confession, and Startling Disclosures of the Notorious Bill Hickman'', 97-98.
 
*William Hickman, ''Brigham's Destroying Angel: Being the Life, Confession, and Startling Disclosures of the Notorious Bill Hickman'', 97-98.
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====238, 562n60 (PB)====
 
====238, 562n60 (PB)====
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|claim=
 
*Were William Parrish and his son murdered as they attempted to leave Utah because leaving Utah was "forbidden?"
 
*Were William Parrish and his son murdered as they attempted to leave Utah because leaving Utah was "forbidden?"
||
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|response=
 
* {{InternalContradiction|On p. 236, the material referenced by the author tells violent apostates to leave Utah.  Which is it?  Was Brigham forcing apostates out with threat of violence, or forbidding apostates from leaving?}}
 
* {{InternalContradiction|On p. 236, the material referenced by the author tells violent apostates to leave Utah.  Which is it?  Was Brigham forcing apostates out with threat of violence, or forbidding apostates from leaving?}}
 
*[[../../Notable omissions#238|Notable omissions: Parrish murder]]
 
*[[../../Notable omissions#238|Notable omissions: Parrish murder]]
 
*[[Leaving Utah forbidden|Leaving Utah forbidden?]]
 
*[[Leaving Utah forbidden|Leaving Utah forbidden?]]
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
||
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|authorquote=
 
*Bigler, ''Forgotten Kingdom'', 131-132.
 
*Bigler, ''Forgotten Kingdom'', 131-132.
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====238, 562n61====
 
====238, 562n61====
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{{IndexClaim
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|claim=
 
*Aaron DeWitt said that escape from Utah was "virtually impossible."
 
*Aaron DeWitt said that escape from Utah was "virtually impossible."
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|response=
 
* [[Leaving Utah forbidden|Leaving Utah forbidden?]]
 
* [[Leaving Utah forbidden|Leaving Utah forbidden?]]
 
*[[Danites/Danites in anti-Mormon polemic|Danites in anti-Mormon polemic]]
 
*[[Danites/Danites in anti-Mormon polemic|Danites in anti-Mormon polemic]]
||
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|authorquote=
 
*DeWitt letter.
 
*DeWitt letter.
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====239, 563n63-64====
 
====239, 563n63-64====
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|claim=
 
*Was Richard Yates was killed for the sin of "trading with government personnel?"
 
*Was Richard Yates was killed for the sin of "trading with government personnel?"
||
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|response=
 
* William "Wild Bill" Hickman would later say that his purported autobiography, ''Brigham's Destroying Angel'', was "a lie from the wild boar story onward."{{ref|mormons.239}}  The story occurs on pages 29&ndash;30.  Aside from its implausibility, then, this reference has been denied by Hickman.{{nw}}
 
* William "Wild Bill" Hickman would later say that his purported autobiography, ''Brigham's Destroying Angel'', was "a lie from the wild boar story onward."{{ref|mormons.239}}  The story occurs on pages 29&ndash;30.  Aside from its implausibility, then, this reference has been denied by Hickman.{{nw}}
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|authorquote=
 
*Hickman, 124-125.
 
*Hickman, 124-125.
 
*Stout, in Brooks, vol. 2, 643.
 
*Stout, in Brooks, vol. 2, 643.
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====241, 563n65-66====
 
====241, 563n65-66====
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|claim=
 
*Were Henry Jones and his mother murdered by Nathaniel Case, Porter Rockwell and "other church officials?"
 
*Were Henry Jones and his mother murdered by Nathaniel Case, Porter Rockwell and "other church officials?"
||
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|response=
 
* {{HistoricalError}}: Case was the testator; he denied having anything to do with the murder.
 
* {{HistoricalError}}: Case was the testator; he denied having anything to do with the murder.
 
* Stout's journal mentions only that some people had [[Castration_in_Utah#Hosea_Stout_diary|castrated Henry Jones]]; it says nothing about murder of him or his mother.
 
* Stout's journal mentions only that some people had [[Castration_in_Utah#Hosea_Stout_diary|castrated Henry Jones]]; it says nothing about murder of him or his mother.
 
* Jones and his mother were accused of incest; Joseph Hancock was eventually found guilty of [[../../Notable omissions#241|second degree murder]].
 
* Jones and his mother were accused of incest; Joseph Hancock was eventually found guilty of [[../../Notable omissions#241|second degree murder]].
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|authorquote=
 
*Stout in Brooks, vol. 2, 653.
 
*Stout in Brooks, vol. 2, 653.
 
*Nathaniel Case, affidavit of April 9, 1859, sworn before John Cradlebaugh, Judge 2nd Judicial District, Utah, reprinted in ''The Valley Tan'', April 19, 1859. Quoted in Jerald and Sandra Tanner, "Blood Atonement: Fact or Fantasy?," ''Salt Lake City Messenger'' (#92), April 1997, 13.
 
*Nathaniel Case, affidavit of April 9, 1859, sworn before John Cradlebaugh, Judge 2nd Judicial District, Utah, reprinted in ''The Valley Tan'', April 19, 1859. Quoted in Jerald and Sandra Tanner, "Blood Atonement: Fact or Fantasy?," ''Salt Lake City Messenger'' (#92), April 1997, 13.
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====242-243, n67-71====
 
====242-243, n67-71====
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|claim=
 
*Were "innumerable crimes" committed because of the speeches of Brigham Young and other LDS leaders?
 
*Were "innumerable crimes" committed because of the speeches of Brigham Young and other LDS leaders?
||
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|response=
 
* [[../../Absurd claims#242-243|Absurd claims: "innumerable crimes."]]{{nw}}
 
* [[../../Absurd claims#242-243|Absurd claims: "innumerable crimes."]]{{nw}}
*[[Blood atonement]]
+
*[[Church doctrine/Repudiated/Blood atonement]]
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}
 
* William "Wild Bill" Hickman would later say that his purported autobiography, ''Brigham's Destroying Angel'', was "a lie from the wild boar story onward."{{ref|mormons.242}}  The story occurs on pages 29&ndash;30.  Aside from its implausibility, then, this reference has been denied by Hickman.
 
* William "Wild Bill" Hickman would later say that his purported autobiography, ''Brigham's Destroying Angel'', was "a lie from the wild boar story onward."{{ref|mormons.242}}  The story occurs on pages 29&ndash;30.  Aside from its implausibility, then, this reference has been denied by Hickman.
 
* [[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Use_of_sources/Early_federal_territorial_officials#Note_on_Abanes.27_secondary_source:_Bigler|Bigler]], the author's source distorts and misrepresents LDS history on numerous counts.
 
* [[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Use_of_sources/Early_federal_territorial_officials#Note_on_Abanes.27_secondary_source:_Bigler|Bigler]], the author's source distorts and misrepresents LDS history on numerous counts.
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|authorquote=
 
*Baskin, ''Reminiscences of Early Utah'', 150.
 
*Baskin, ''Reminiscences of Early Utah'', 150.
 
*Harold Schindler, ''Orrin Porter Rockwell: Man of God, Son of Thunder'', 268-279.
 
*Harold Schindler, ''Orrin Porter Rockwell: Man of God, Son of Thunder'', 268-279.
Line 346: Line 342:
 
*Baskin, 154-155.
 
*Baskin, 154-155.
 
*Ann Eliza Young, ''Wife No. 19'', Chapter X-XVI.
 
*Ann Eliza Young, ''Wife No. 19'', Chapter X-XVI.
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====244-245, 566n82 (HB) 564n82 (PB)====
 
====244-245, 566n82 (HB) 564n82 (PB)====
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|claim=
 
*Did a prohibition of selling supplies to the Fancher party lead to the Mountain Meadows Massacre?
 
*Did a prohibition of selling supplies to the Fancher party lead to the Mountain Meadows Massacre?
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|response=
 
*[[../../Use of sources/Orders to Starve Gentiles|Use of sources: Orders to Starve Gentiles]]
 
*[[../../Use of sources/Orders to Starve Gentiles|Use of sources: Orders to Starve Gentiles]]
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:MMM}}
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:MMM}}
||
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|authorquote=
 
*On August 2, 1857, just one month before the massacre, Brigham Young wrote to [sic] a letter to church leaders telling them to make sure that no one sold as much as "one kernal" of food to the Saints "enemies" (Brigham Young letter to Bronson and Haight, August 2, 1857, MS 1234 LDSCA). (hardback and paperback)
 
*On August 2, 1857, just one month before the massacre, Brigham Young wrote to [sic] a letter to church leaders telling them to make sure that no one sold as much as "one kernal" of food to the Saints "enemies" (Brigham Young letter to Bronson and Haight, August 2, 1857, MS 1234 LDSCA). (hardback and paperback)
 
{{parabreak}}
 
{{parabreak}}
 
*Will Bagley, ''Blood of the Prophets: Brigham Young and the Massacre at Mountain Meadows'', 111, 115. (added in paperback)
 
*Will Bagley, ''Blood of the Prophets: Brigham Young and the Massacre at Mountain Meadows'', 111, 115. (added in paperback)
 
*Eugene E. Campbell, ''Establishing Zion'', 250, 317. (added in paperback)
 
*Eugene E. Campbell, ''Establishing Zion'', 250, 317. (added in paperback)
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====245====
 
====245====
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|claim=
 
*{{AuthorQuote|"[T]he emigrants could not have known that two of the sins worthy of blood atonement were condemning Joseph Smith and/or consenting to his death."}}
 
*{{AuthorQuote|"[T]he emigrants could not have known that two of the sins worthy of blood atonement were condemning Joseph Smith and/or consenting to his death."}}
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|response=
 
*[[19th century crimes alleged to be "worthy of death"]]  
 
*[[19th century crimes alleged to be "worthy of death"]]  
*[[Blood atonement]]
+
*[[Church doctrine/Repudiated/Blood atonement]]
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:MMM}}
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:MMM}}
 
+
|authorquote=
||
 
 
*No source provided.
 
*No source provided.
|-
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====245, 564n86 (PB)====
 
====245, 564n86 (PB)====
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{{IndexClaim
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|claim=
 
*{{AuthorQuote|"The prophet...already had decided the fate of the Baker-Fancher party...at a secret meeting in Salt Lake City with several Indian chiefs."}}
 
*{{AuthorQuote|"The prophet...already had decided the fate of the Baker-Fancher party...at a secret meeting in Salt Lake City with several Indian chiefs."}}
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|response=
 
*{{FalseStatement}}: [[../../Use of sources/Brigham Young ordered MMM|Use of sources: Brigham Young ordered Mountain Meadows Massacre?]]
 
*{{FalseStatement}}: [[../../Use of sources/Brigham Young ordered MMM|Use of sources: Brigham Young ordered Mountain Meadows Massacre?]]
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:MMM}}
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:MMM}}
 
* [[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Use_of_sources/Early_federal_territorial_officials#Note_on_Abanes.27_secondary_source:_Bigler|Bigler]], the author's source distorts and misrepresents LDS history on numerous counts.
 
* [[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Use_of_sources/Early_federal_territorial_officials#Note_on_Abanes.27_secondary_source:_Bigler|Bigler]], the author's source distorts and misrepresents LDS history on numerous counts.
 
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|authorquote=
||
 
 
*{{CriticalWork:Bigler:Forgotten Kingdom|pages=167}}
 
*{{CriticalWork:Bigler:Forgotten Kingdom|pages=167}}
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====245, 564n87====
 
====245, 564n87====
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|claim=
 
*Did Brigham promise the Indians that they could have all the cattle in the Fancher wagon-train "if they would do away with the entire company?"
 
*Did Brigham promise the Indians that they could have all the cattle in the Fancher wagon-train "if they would do away with the entire company?"
||
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|response=
 
*{{FalseStatement}}: Brigham offered the natives the approaching army's cattle if they would scatter it.
 
*{{FalseStatement}}: Brigham offered the natives the approaching army's cattle if they would scatter it.
*[[Brigham_Young_ordered_MMM|Brigham Young ordered Mountain Meadows Massacre?]]
+
*[[../../Use of sources/Brigham Young ordered MMM|Brigham Young ordered Mountain Meadows Massacre?]]
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:MMM}}
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:MMM}}
||
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|authorquote=
 
*Dimick B. Huntington, "Dimick B. Huntington Journal," under September 1, 1857.
 
*Dimick B. Huntington, "Dimick B. Huntington Journal," under September 1, 1857.
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====243-250====
 
====243-250====
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{{IndexClaim
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|claim=
 
*The book discusses the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
 
*The book discusses the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
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|response=
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:MMM}}
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:MMM}}
||
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|authorquote=
 
*John D. Lee
 
*John D. Lee
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====251, 565n103====
 
====251, 565n103====
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{{IndexClaim
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|claim=
 
*When Brigham Young visited the Mountain Meadows site in 1860 and saw the monument, did he order it to be demolished?
 
*When Brigham Young visited the Mountain Meadows site in 1860 and saw the monument, did he order it to be demolished?
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|response=
 
*[[../../Use of sources/Brigham Young orders MMM monument demolished|Use of sources: Brigham Young orders MMM monument demolished]]
 
*[[../../Use of sources/Brigham Young orders MMM monument demolished|Use of sources: Brigham Young orders MMM monument demolished]]
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:MMM}}
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:MMM}}
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|authorquote=
 
*{{CitationError}} The Wilford Woodruff journal date should be May 25, 1861.
 
*{{CitationError}} The Wilford Woodruff journal date should be May 25, 1861.
 
*{{WWJ1|vol=5|start=577|date=(under May 25, 1860)}}; cf. Brooks, ''Mountain Meadows'', 183.
 
*{{WWJ1|vol=5|start=577|date=(under May 25, 1860)}}; cf. Brooks, ''Mountain Meadows'', 183.
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====252, 565n109 (PB)====
 
====252, 565n109 (PB)====
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|claim=
 
*Was John D. Lee's "constant companion throughout his trial" was a Methodist minister, "even though Lee had been taught all his life that Christendom's ministers were satanically-inspired and corrupt?"
 
*Was John D. Lee's "constant companion throughout his trial" was a Methodist minister, "even though Lee had been taught all his life that Christendom's ministers were satanically-inspired and corrupt?"
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|response=
 
*The author is now [[../../Use of sources/Christianity_is_satanic|repeating himself]].
 
*The author is now [[../../Use of sources/Christianity_is_satanic|repeating himself]].
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:MMM}}
 
{{Abanes:One Nation:MMM}}
 
*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]]
 
*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]]
||
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|authorquote=
 
*Thelma Geer, ''Mormonism, Mama and Me'', 171.
 
*Thelma Geer, ''Mormonism, Mama and Me'', 171.
 
* The above source is an anti-Mormon work published by Thelma "Granny" Geer (second edition in 1980; expanded 4th edition by 1984; 5th edition 1986).  Ms. Geer's book cover announces that she has appeared in two films, ''The Cult Explosion'' and [[The God Makers|''The God Makers'']].  It is not clear why the author, who clearly has pretensions to writing a 'scholarly' work, would use this type of polemic as a secondary source.  Anti-Mormon literature is nothing if not self-referential.
 
* The above source is an anti-Mormon work published by Thelma "Granny" Geer (second edition in 1980; expanded 4th edition by 1984; 5th edition 1986).  Ms. Geer's book cover announces that she has appeared in two films, ''The Cult Explosion'' and [[The God Makers|''The God Makers'']].  It is not clear why the author, who clearly has pretensions to writing a 'scholarly' work, would use this type of polemic as a secondary source.  Anti-Mormon literature is nothing if not self-referential.
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====252, 565n111 (PB)====
 
====252, 565n111 (PB)====
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|claim=
 
*{{AuthorQuote|"To this day Mormons revere Young's destroying angels as well as the Danites."}}
 
*{{AuthorQuote|"To this day Mormons revere Young's destroying angels as well as the Danites."}}
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|response=
 
*[[../../Absurd claims|Absurd claims]]
 
*[[../../Absurd claims|Absurd claims]]
 
*[[Danites]]
 
*[[Danites]]
 
*[[Danites/Danites in anti-Mormon polemic|Danites in anti-Mormon polemic]]
 
*[[Danites/Danites in anti-Mormon polemic|Danites in anti-Mormon polemic]]
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|authorquote=
 
*Quoted in Tony Yapia, "Statue Honors Pioneer Figure Rockwell," ''Salt Lake Tribune'', September 11, 2000.
 
*Quoted in Tony Yapia, "Statue Honors Pioneer Figure Rockwell," ''Salt Lake Tribune'', September 11, 2000.
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==Endnotes==
 
==Endnotes==

Revision as of 10:33, 13 February 2010


A FAIR Analysis of:
Criticism of Mormonism/Books
A work by author: Richard Abanes

Claims made in "Chapter 11: Bloody Brigham"

To this day Mormons revere Young's destroying angels as well as the Danites.
One Nation Under Gods, p. 252.

∗       ∗       ∗

225 epigraph, 553-558n1 (PB)

Claim
  • A lengthy letter is printed in its entirety in the endnotes. The author says that the letter from Aaron DeWitt was written to his sister Elizabeth Durrant on January 31, 1875 and slipped into a time capsule. The letter talks about murder and plunder in Utah.

Response
 FAIR WIKI EDITORS: Check sources

226, n5

Claim
  • Did Latter-day Saints believe that "America's doom" was sealed the day Joseph died?

Response

227, 558n13

Claim
  • Did Broughton D. Harris find that census results for the State of Deseret were "false and exaggerated?"

Response

227-228

Claim
  • did Broughton D. Harris, Lemuel G. Brandebury and Justice Perry Brocchus and other federal officials flee Utah because they feared for their lives?

Response

228, 559n16-18

Claim
  • David H. Burr reported that "Mr. Troskolowski," had been "assulted and severely beaten by three men under the direction of one Hickman, a noted member of the so-called 'Danite Band."
  • Was the beating order by LDS leaders because Troskolowski was attempting to ensure that twelve-year-old Emma Wheat escaped a planned marriage to a polygamist?

Response
  • The author here references Hirshon's book, which received the 1970 Mormon History Association award for "worst book."[1]
 [needs work]

231

Claim
  • Was the "Mormon reformation" a period of subjugation and brutal acts of violence designed to purge the Church?

Response

232, 559n32

Claim
  • Who were Brigham Young's "Destroying Angels?"
  • Were Porter Rockwell and 'Wild' Bill Hickman the most notorious of these "Destroying Angels?"

Response
  •  Misrepresentation of source: The cited pages of Hilton's work only describes Hickman as a military leader during the Utah War receiving instruction from Brigham, and a letter he wrote to Brigham denying an accusation. It says nothing about being one of "Brigham's enforcers."
  • The author's only other source is Jerald and Sandra Tanner. They rely heavily on Hickman's Brigham's Destroying Angel.
  • Utah/Crime and violence
  • Loaded and prejudicial language

232, 559n33

Claim
  • Did Brigham often make favorable comments about his "Destroying Angels?"
  • Brigham said: "We have the meanest devils on the earth in our midst, and we intend to keep them, for we have use for them; and if the Devil does not look sharp, we will cheat him out of them at the last, for they will reform and go to heaven with us."

Response

233, n36-39

Claim
  • Brigham taught "blood atonement."

Response

233-234, 560n40

Claim
  • Jedediah Grant preached about "Blood Atonement"

Response

233, 560n37

Claim
  • Did Brigham use the term "cutting off" from the earth as a "euphemism for killing?"

Response

234, 560n43

Claim
  • Did Jedediah Grant create a list of "highly intrusive" questions so that he could probe members' personal lives?

Response

234-235, 560n45-46

Claim
  • Did Brigham encourage murder out of "love" in order to save people's souls?

Response

235, 560n47

Claim
  • Did Heber C. Kimball claim that the apostles killed Judas?

Response

235, 560-561n50

Claim
  • Did Utah has a long list of crimes that were worthy of death?

Response

235

Claim
  •  Author's quote: "Blood began to flow profusely in Utah not long after the reformation was launched."

Response

236, n52

Claim
  • After "relating a dream wherein he had slit the throats of two men 'from ear to ear' with a bowie knife" Brigham said: "I say, rather than that apostates should flourish here, I will unsheath my bowie knife, and conquer or die...Now, you nasty apostates, clear out, or judgment will be put on the line, and righteousness to the plummet."

Response

236-237, 563n53 (HB)

Claim
  • "Apostates certainly were viewed as the worst of sinners, although every reprobate received the same penalty. As Brigham instructed his flock: 'If any miserable scoundrels come here, cut their throats.'" (HB)
∗       ∗       ∗
  • "Apostates certainly were viewed as the worst sinners, although every reprobate, risked similar justice. Young once said: "It was asked this morning how we could obtain redress for our wrongs; I will tell you how it could be done, we could take the same law they have taken...and if any miserable scoundrels come here, cut their throats." (PB)


Response


237, 561n54 (PB)

Claim
  • Did Brigham not care what the U.S. thought about "killing evil doers?"

What do you suppose they would say in old Massachusetts….What would they say in old Connecticut?"" They would raise a universal howl of, 'how wicked the Mormons are; they are killing the evil doers who are among them; why I hear that they kill the wicked away up yonder in Utah.'...What do I care for the wrath of man? No more than I do for the chickens that run in my dooryard.


Response

  • Consider the full title of Brigham's discourse:FAITH—PRACTICAL RELIGION—CHASTISEMENT—NECESSITY OF DEVILS. The "necessity of devils" relates to the subject discussed here.


237, 562n55-56 (PB)

Claim
  • Did Brigham Young have a man named Alonzo Bowman killed simply for "innocently asking about LDS beliefs and the facts behind the Saints' troubles?"

Response
 [needs work]
  • The man's name is actually Walter Alonzo Clark Bowman
  • (from MADB): There is mention by Joseph Lee Robinson in his journal that Pres. Young had received "credible information" of "traders" and "several hundred spaniards collegeing with the indians to turn them against us" on April 20 1853. Brigham Young gave a proclamation to "take into custody all groups of spaniards or any suspicious characters" at that time. The account in the story takes place in the summer of 1853.
  • There are no primary sources to support this story. Mary Ettie V. Smith's narrative is highly suspect.
  • Loaded and prejudicial language
  • Danites in anti-Mormon polemic

238, 562n57-59

Claim
  • Did Orson Hyde order Jesse Hartly shot and killed, for the crime of "falling in love with, and marrying, a Mormon?"

Response
  •  Internal contradiction: On p. 238, the author claims apostates were forbidden to leave Utah, yet in this speech Brigham tells violent apostates to leave Utah. Which is it? Was Brigham forcing apostates out with threat of violence, or forbidding apostates from leaving?
  •  Misrepresentation of source: William "Wild Bill" Hickman would later say that his purported autobiography, Brigham's Destroying Angel, was "a lie from the wild boar story onward."[2] The story occurs on pages 29–30. In any case, the referenced pages say nothing about a murder of anyone, much less 'Jesse Hartly', who a text search does not reveal mentioned anywhere in the book.
  • In the endnotes, the author quotes Brigham's "bowie knife" comment once again.
  • Mary Ettie V. Smith is not a reliable source.

238, 562n60 (PB)

Claim
  • Were William Parrish and his son murdered as they attempted to leave Utah because leaving Utah was "forbidden?"

Response

238, 562n61

Claim
  • Aaron DeWitt said that escape from Utah was "virtually impossible."

Response

239, 563n63-64

Claim
  • Was Richard Yates was killed for the sin of "trading with government personnel?"

Response
  • William "Wild Bill" Hickman would later say that his purported autobiography, Brigham's Destroying Angel, was "a lie from the wild boar story onward."[3] The story occurs on pages 29–30. Aside from its implausibility, then, this reference has been denied by Hickman. [needs work]

241, 563n65-66

Claim
  • Were Henry Jones and his mother murdered by Nathaniel Case, Porter Rockwell and "other church officials?"

Response
  •  History unclear or in error: Case was the testator; he denied having anything to do with the murder.
  • Stout's journal mentions only that some people had castrated Henry Jones; it says nothing about murder of him or his mother.
  • Jones and his mother were accused of incest; Joseph Hancock was eventually found guilty of second degree murder.

242-243, n67-71

Claim
  • Were "innumerable crimes" committed because of the speeches of Brigham Young and other LDS leaders?

Response

244-245, 566n82 (HB) 564n82 (PB)

Claim
  • Did a prohibition of selling supplies to the Fancher party lead to the Mountain Meadows Massacre?

Response

245

Claim
  •  Author's quote: "[T]he emigrants could not have known that two of the sins worthy of blood atonement were condemning Joseph Smith and/or consenting to his death."

Response

245, 564n86 (PB)

Claim
  •  Author's quote: "The prophet...already had decided the fate of the Baker-Fancher party...at a secret meeting in Salt Lake City with several Indian chiefs."

Response

245, 564n87

Claim
  • Did Brigham promise the Indians that they could have all the cattle in the Fancher wagon-train "if they would do away with the entire company?"

Response

243-250

Claim
  • The book discusses the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

Response

251, 565n103

Claim
  • When Brigham Young visited the Mountain Meadows site in 1860 and saw the monument, did he order it to be demolished?

Response

252, 565n109 (PB)

Claim
  • Was John D. Lee's "constant companion throughout his trial" was a Methodist minister, "even though Lee had been taught all his life that Christendom's ministers were satanically-inspired and corrupt?"

Response

252, 565n111 (PB)

Claim
  •  Author's quote: "To this day Mormons revere Young's destroying angels as well as the Danites."

Response

Endnotes

  1. [note]  "WORST BOOK: Stanley P. Hirshon, Lion of the Lord (New York: Knopf, 1969)." - Larry C. Porter (Executive Secretary-Treasurer, MHA), "Mormon History Association Awards," Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought 16 no. 3 (Autumn 1983), 127–128. Another reviewer wrote, "At least once a decade, it seems, someone publishes a book about the Latter-day Saints without taking the necessary "trouble" to adequately research the subject. Stanley Hirshon was judged guilty of this offense in 1969 and received from the Mormon History Association its "Worst Book" award for his volume on Brigham Young." – Kenneth H. Godfrey, "Not Trouble Enough, review of Trouble Enough: Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon by Ernest H. Taves," Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought 19 no. 3 (Fall 1986), 139.
  2. [note]  Richard S. Van Wagoner and Steven C. Walker, A Book of Mormons (Salt Lake City, Utah: Signature Books, 1982), 123. See also Hope A. Hilton, "Wild Bill" Hickman and the Mormon Frontier (Salt Lake City, Utah: Signature Books, 1988), 127.
  3. [note]  Richard S. Van Wagoner and Steven C. Walker, A Book of Mormons (Salt Lake City, Utah: Signature Books, 1982), 123. See also Hope A. Hilton, "Wild Bill" Hickman and the Mormon Frontier (Salt Lake City, Utah: Signature Books, 1988), 127.
  4. [note]  Richard S. Van Wagoner and Steven C. Walker, A Book of Mormons (Salt Lake City, Utah: Signature Books, 1982), 123. See also Hope A. Hilton, "Wild Bill" Hickman and the Mormon Frontier (Salt Lake City, Utah: Signature Books, 1988), 127.

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