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− | Joseph claimed that the papyrus was written by Abraham himself.|| | + | Joseph claimed that the papyrus was written by Abraham himself. |
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* [[Book_of_Abraham/Papyri/Long_article#The_date_of_the_Book_of_Abraham_vs._the_date_of_the_papyrus|Date of text vs. papyri]] | * [[Book_of_Abraham/Papyri/Long_article#The_date_of_the_Book_of_Abraham_vs._the_date_of_the_papyrus|Date of text vs. papyri]] | ||
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− | ||Hugh Nibley said that the papyri does not prove the Book of Abraham to be true and the LDS scholars were unprepared.|| | + | ||Hugh Nibley said that the papyri does not prove the Book of Abraham to be true and the LDS scholars were unprepared. |
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* Nibley was not of the opinion that scripture ''could'' be provided save by the Holy Ghost. | * Nibley was not of the opinion that scripture ''could'' be provided save by the Holy Ghost. | ||
* Most scholars were "unprepared" because they had not prepared themselves to study Egyptian: "...a few faded and tattered little scraps of papyrus may serve to remind the Latter-day Saints of how sadly they have neglected serious education....Wholly committed and given fair warning, the Mormons have deserved even the unfair verdict that the world passed against them and the Prophet in 1912, when eight professional scholars condemned Joseph Smith's interpretations of the Facsimiles as utterly absurd; for had any of the Saints during the past century ever taken the pains to check up on the actual state of Egyptian studies in the world, it would have been an easy thing to show how abyssmally inept the performance of Dr. Spalding's panel of experts really was" (''BYU Studies'' article cited by Tanners). | * Most scholars were "unprepared" because they had not prepared themselves to study Egyptian: "...a few faded and tattered little scraps of papyrus may serve to remind the Latter-day Saints of how sadly they have neglected serious education....Wholly committed and given fair warning, the Mormons have deserved even the unfair verdict that the world passed against them and the Prophet in 1912, when eight professional scholars condemned Joseph Smith's interpretations of the Facsimiles as utterly absurd; for had any of the Saints during the past century ever taken the pains to check up on the actual state of Egyptian studies in the world, it would have been an easy thing to show how abyssmally inept the performance of Dr. Spalding's panel of experts really was" (''BYU Studies'' article cited by Tanners). | ||
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− | ||Since the translation of the papyri was turned over to Hugh Nibley, this proves that the prophet does not have the ability to translate | + | || |
− | + | Since the translation of the papyri was turned over to Hugh Nibley, this proves that the prophet does not have the ability to translate ancient records. | |
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* The Book of Abraham has already been given to us. Why would it need to be "retranslated"? Prophets only translate when no one else is able to do the job ({{s|2|Nephi|27|15-20}}). | * The Book of Abraham has already been given to us. Why would it need to be "retranslated"? Prophets only translate when no one else is able to do the job ({{s|2|Nephi|27|15-20}}). | ||
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− | ||"Mormon elder" Dee Jay Nelson, who claimed to be an Egyptologist, translated the papyri but was unable to find any mention of Abraham. Even | + | ||"Mormon elder" Dee Jay Nelson, who claimed to be an Egyptologist, translated the papyri but was unable to find any mention of Abraham. Even though Nelson was later exposed to be a fraud, "This is not to say that his work has no merit." |
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− | though Nelson was later exposed to be a fraud, "This is not to say that his work has no merit." | ||
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− | * {{Absurd}}: the work was a fraud, and Nelson had no qualifications, but since it attacks the Church, Tanners aren't willing to dispense with | + | * {{Absurd}}: the work was a fraud, and Nelson had no qualifications, but since it attacks the Church, Tanners aren't willing to dispense with it! |
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− | ||Joseph Smith's "Egyptian Alphabet and Grammer" contain text that matches a portion of one of the papyri. Joseph Smith translated a "large | + | || |
− | + | Joseph Smith's "Egyptian Alphabet and Grammer" contain text that matches a portion of one of the papyri. Joseph Smith translated a "large number of English words" from each Egyptian character. | |
− | number of English words" from each Egyptian character.|| | + | || |
− | * [[Book of Abraham/Papyri/Long article#The Kirtland Egyptian Papers|Book of Abraham papyri (Long article) —The Kirtland Egyptian | + | * [[Book of Abraham/Papyri/Long article#The Kirtland Egyptian Papers|Book of Abraham papyri (Long article) —The Kirtland Egyptian Papers]] |
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− | ||Joseph used four lines from the papyrus to generate 49 verses in the Book of Abraham.|| | + | ||Joseph used four lines from the papyrus to generate 49 verses in the Book of Abraham. |
− | * [[Book of Abraham papyri/Long article# The Kirtland Egyptian Papers|Book of Abraham papyri (Long article) —The Kirtland Egyptian | + | || |
− | + | * [[Book of Abraham papyri/Long article# The Kirtland Egyptian Papers|Book of Abraham papyri (Long article) —The Kirtland Egyptian Papers]] | |
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− | ||The papyri have been dated to a much later time than Abraham, therefore they could not have been written by Abraham's "own hand on | + | ||The papyri have been dated to a much later time than Abraham, therefore they could not have been written by Abraham's "own hand on papyrus."|| |
− | + | * [[Book_of_Abraham/Papyri/Long_article#The_date_of_the_Book_of_Abraham_vs._the_date_of_the_papyrus|Date of text vs. papyri]] | |
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In Facsimile #1, the penciled-in restoration is incorrect. | In Facsimile #1, the penciled-in restoration is incorrect. | ||
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− | * [[Book of Abraham/Papyri/Long article#Restoring gaps in the drawings|Book of Abraham papyri (Long article) — Restoring gaps in the | + | * [[Book of Abraham/Papyri/Long article#Restoring gaps in the drawings|Book of Abraham papyri (Long article) — Restoring gaps in the drawings]] |
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Chapter 10 | A FAIR Analysis of: Criticism of Mormonism/Books A work by author: Jerald and Sandra Tanner
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329-330 |
Joseph claimed that the papyrus was written by Abraham himself. |
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330-331 |
Hugh Nibley said that the papyri does not prove the Book of Abraham to be true and the LDS scholars were unprepared. |
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335 |
Since the translation of the papyri was turned over to Hugh Nibley, this proves that the prophet does not have the ability to translate ancient records. |
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336 |
Facsimile 1 does not show Abraham fastened to an altar being sacrificed, but instead shows Hor being prepared for burial. |
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337 |
LDS leaders were unable to detect the Hofmann forgeries. If they were really led be revelation, they should have been able to figure out that the documents were fake. |
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339 |
"Mormon elder" Dee Jay Nelson, who claimed to be an Egyptologist, translated the papyri but was unable to find any mention of Abraham. Even though Nelson was later exposed to be a fraud, "This is not to say that his work has no merit." |
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342 |
Joseph Smith's "Egyptian Alphabet and Grammer" contain text that matches a portion of one of the papyri. Joseph Smith translated a "large number of English words" from each Egyptian character. |
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343 |
Joseph used four lines from the papyrus to generate 49 verses in the Book of Abraham. |
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351 |
The papyri have been dated to a much later time than Abraham, therefore they could not have been written by Abraham's "own hand on papyrus." |
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358-361 |
In Facsimile #1, the penciled-in restoration is incorrect. |
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