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===Claims made in "Chapter 8: Deseret, August 3, 1857"===
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====104====
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*According to the author, deaths in the handcart companies caused "most Salt Lake Mormons" to lay the blame "squarely at Young's feet."
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* {{MindReading}}
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*No source provided.
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====105====
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*The book discusses the "Mormon Reformation."
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*[[Mormon Reformation]]
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* N/A
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====105====
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*The author claims that Brigham said that "all backsliders should be 'hewn down'".
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*Josiah F. Gibbs, 'The Mountain Meadows Massacre, 8ff
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*A list of thirteen questions was "conceived by Young and expanded by Grant."
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*This list of questions sounds very much like a temple recommend interview today. A number of the same questions are still asked.
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*{{CrossRef:Abanes:One Nation|chapter=11|pages=234, 560n43}}. {{Abanes:One Nation:Mormon Reformation}}.
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*Gustive O. Larson, "The Mormon Reformation," ''Utah Historical Society Quarterly'' 26 (January 1958).
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*Hirshson, 155
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*{{CriticalWork:Bigler:Forgotten Kingdom|pages=127}}.
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====106====
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*Blood atonement
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*[[Blood atonement]]
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====106====
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*Brigham is claimed to have said: "I want their cursed heads cut off that they may atone for their sins."
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*Juanita Brooks and Robert Glass Cleland, eds., A Mormon Chronicle, I:98-99.
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====106====
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*The author claims that "those who dared to flee Zion were hunted down and killed."
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*{{InternalContradiction|This contradicts what the author said on page 59, where she claims that Brigham said that anyone was "free to leave."}}
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*Cannon and Knapp, 268.
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====106====
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*The killing of William R. Parrish, "an elderly Mormon in high standing."
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*{{CrossRef:Abanes:One Nation|chapter=11|pages=238, 562n60 (PB)}}
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*[[Leaving Utah forbidden|Leaving Utah forbidden?]]
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*Cannon and Knapp, 268.
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====106====
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*Castration of a man by Bishop Warren Snow who was "engaged to a woman Snow wanted to take for a plural wife."
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*[[Castration in Utah]]
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*{{CriticalWork:Bigler:Forgotten Kingdom|pages=132}}
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*The author claims that the "bloody regime…ended with [Jedediah] Grant's sudden death, on December 1, 1856."
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* There is no evidence of Grant implementing "blood atonement."
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* [[Blood atonement]]
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* [[Mormon Reformation]]
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*{{CriticalWork:Bigler:Forgotten Kingdom|pages=133}}
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*Surveyor General David Burr "fled for his life."
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* [[Surveyor general David H. Burr threatened with death|Surveyor general David H. Burr threatened with death?]]
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*House Exec. Doc. 71, 118-20.
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*Did Brigham accuse Parley P. Pratt of adultery, as the author claims? The author quotes Brigham's "great-granddaughter" as saying "He was not woman-crazy, but Gospel-crazy."
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*Reva Stanley, ''The Archer of Paradise: A Biography of Parley Pratt'', 163.
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*It is claimed that Parley P. Pratt was killed because he married Elenore McLean when she was not divorced from her husband.
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* [[Polygamy/Parley_P._Pratt%27s_marriage_and_murder|Murder of Parley P. Pratt]]
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*Reva Stanley, ''The Archer of Paradise: A Biography of Parley Pratt'', 163.
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*Steven Pratt, "Eleanor McLean," 227.
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*Fielding, ''Unsolicited Chronicler'', 382.
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====112-113====
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*In Brigham's speech on July 24, 1857, he said that "This American Continent will be Zion...for it is so spoken of by the Prophets." The author interprets this to mean that the "godless American government's moving against them singaled the beginning of their Armageddon scenario" and would result in Brigham's "ascendancy" to rule the Kingdom of God on earth.
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* [[Anti-American nineteenth century Saints/Brigham Zion speech on 24 July 1857|Brigham Zion speech on 24 July 1857]]
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*Fielding, ''Unsolicited Chronicler'', 383.
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*The author claims that "Indian" massacres that occurred in Utah Territory were actually carried out by "white-faced Indians who used Mormon slang."
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*No source provided.
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====115====
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*Brigham instructed the people to "hoard their grain," according to the author. People were told to "report without delay any person in your District that disposes of a Kernel of grain to any Gentile merchant or temporary sojourner."
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* [[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Use_of_sources/Orders_to_Starve_Gentiles|Orders to starve immigrants or not sell grain?]]
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*Brooks, ''Mountain Meadows Massacre'', xvii-xviii.
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*The author claims that "it seem most likely that [Charles] Rich advised the Fancher train to take the Southern Trail."
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* Jacob Hamblin would testify that the Fancher train "being of southern people had preferred to take the southern route."{{ref|hamblin.south}}
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*Author's opinion.
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*Brigham is noted as having given a "current sermon" in which he vowed to "turn [the Indians] loose" on the emigrants.
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*Basil Parker's memoir, 7.
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*Will Bagley claims that "all information about the emigrants' conduct came from men involved in their murder or cover-up."
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* Junaita Brooks pointed out that accounts of provocation from the immigrants appeared within days as far away California, and from [[Blood_of_the_Prophets:_Brigham_Young_and_the_Massacre_at_Mountain_Meadows/Use_of_sources/Double_standards_of_skepticism||multiple sources]].
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* {{DoubleStandard}} [[Blood_of_the_Prophets:_Brigham_Young_and_the_Massacre_at_Mountain_Meadows/Use_of_sources/Double_standards_of_skepticism|Double standard of skepticism]]
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*{{CriticalWork:Bagley:Blood of the Prophets|pages=99}}
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*{{CrossRef:Bagley:Blood of the Prophets|pages=99}}
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Revision as of 18:43, 19 June 2009


Chapter 7
A FAIR Analysis of:
Criticism of Mormonism/Books
A work by author: Sally Denton
 Chapter 9

Claims made in "Chapter 8: Deseret, August 3, 1857"

Page Claim Response Author's sources

104
  • According to the author, deaths in the handcart companies caused "most Salt Lake Mormons" to lay the blame "squarely at Young's feet."
  •  Mind reading: author has no way of knowing this.
  • No source provided.

105
  • The book discusses the "Mormon Reformation."
  • N/A

105
  • The author claims that Brigham said that "all backsliders should be 'hewn down'".
  • Josiah F. Gibbs, 'The Mountain Meadows Massacre, 8ff

105
  • A list of thirteen questions was "conceived by Young and expanded by Grant."
  • Gustive O. Larson, "The Mormon Reformation," Utah Historical Society Quarterly 26 (January 1958).
  • Hirshson, 155
  • David L. Bigler, Forgotten Kingdom: The Mormon Theocracy in the American West, 1847–1896 (Logan, Utah: Utah State University Press, 1998), 127. (bias and errors) Review.

106
  • Blood atonement

106
  • Brigham is claimed to have said: "I want their cursed heads cut off that they may atone for their sins."

 [needs work]

  • Juanita Brooks and Robert Glass Cleland, eds., A Mormon Chronicle, I:98-99.

106
  • The author claims that "those who dared to flee Zion were hunted down and killed."
  •  Internal contradiction: This contradicts what the author said on page 59, where she claims that Brigham said that anyone was "free to leave."
  • Cannon and Knapp, 268.

106
  • The killing of William R. Parrish, "an elderly Mormon in high standing."
  • Cannon and Knapp, 268.

106
  • Castration of a man by Bishop Warren Snow who was "engaged to a woman Snow wanted to take for a plural wife."
  • David L. Bigler, Forgotten Kingdom: The Mormon Theocracy in the American West, 1847–1896 (Logan, Utah: Utah State University Press, 1998), 132. (bias and errors) Review

106
  • The author claims that the "bloody regime…ended with [Jedediah] Grant's sudden death, on December 1, 1856."
  • David L. Bigler, Forgotten Kingdom: The Mormon Theocracy in the American West, 1847–1896 (Logan, Utah: Utah State University Press, 1998), 133. (bias and errors) Review

108
  • Surveyor General David Burr "fled for his life."
  • House Exec. Doc. 71, 118-20.

110
  • Did Brigham accuse Parley P. Pratt of adultery, as the author claims? The author quotes Brigham's "great-granddaughter" as saying "He was not woman-crazy, but Gospel-crazy."
  • Reva Stanley, The Archer of Paradise: A Biography of Parley Pratt, 163.

110-112
  • It is claimed that Parley P. Pratt was killed because he married Elenore McLean when she was not divorced from her husband.
  • Reva Stanley, The Archer of Paradise: A Biography of Parley Pratt, 163.
  • Steven Pratt, "Eleanor McLean," 227.
  • Fielding, Unsolicited Chronicler, 382.

112-113
  • In Brigham's speech on July 24, 1857, he said that "This American Continent will be Zion...for it is so spoken of by the Prophets." The author interprets this to mean that the "godless American government's moving against them singaled the beginning of their Armageddon scenario" and would result in Brigham's "ascendancy" to rule the Kingdom of God on earth.
  • Fielding, Unsolicited Chronicler, 383.

115
  • The author claims that "Indian" massacres that occurred in Utah Territory were actually carried out by "white-faced Indians who used Mormon slang."
  • No source provided.

115
  • Brigham instructed the people to "hoard their grain," according to the author. People were told to "report without delay any person in your District that disposes of a Kernel of grain to any Gentile merchant or temporary sojourner."
  • Brooks, Mountain Meadows Massacre, xvii-xviii.

120
  • The author claims that "it seem most likely that [Charles] Rich advised the Fancher train to take the Southern Trail."
  • Jacob Hamblin would testify that the Fancher train "being of southern people had preferred to take the southern route."[1]
  • Author's opinion.

120
  • Brigham is noted as having given a "current sermon" in which he vowed to "turn [the Indians] loose" on the emigrants.
  • Basil Parker's memoir, 7.

121
  • Will Bagley claims that "all information about the emigrants' conduct came from men involved in their murder or cover-up."
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