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*A lone citation might make little sense without context. | *A lone citation might make little sense without context. | ||
− | *If | + | *If the author can think of no reason to exclude an entry besides malicious intent to deceive, perhaps he can explain ''his own'' editing decision when he published the William Clayton diaries. Jim Allen observed that |
::“in his abridgement, however, Smith kept only about one-sixth of the total entry. . . . By including only the somewhat titillating material and leaving out the much more important information about Clayton and what he was doing as a missionary, this ‘abridgement’ does little but distort the day’s activity.”{{ref|clayton1}} | ::“in his abridgement, however, Smith kept only about one-sixth of the total entry. . . . By including only the somewhat titillating material and leaving out the much more important information about Clayton and what he was doing as a missionary, this ‘abridgement’ does little but distort the day’s activity.”{{ref|clayton1}} | ||
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||Before 1890 “the number of [polygamy] practitioners had expanded exponentially.” In support of this, we are told that "67 percent in Orderville, Utah" were polygamists. | ||Before 1890 “the number of [polygamy] practitioners had expanded exponentially.” In support of this, we are told that "67 percent in Orderville, Utah" were polygamists. | ||
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− | * | + | *The author leaves unmentioned the study’s observation that Orderville was somewhat unique because “one suspects that membership in Mormondom’s most successful attempt to establish the United Order may have required a commitment to plural matrimony. Unlike the pattern that usually prevailed in Mormon towns, many young men of Orderville entered the celestial order when they first married or soon thereafter.” Nearby Kanab was less successful in its communal economy and had less than half as many polygamists. Furthermore, all of southern Utah was more likely to be polygamist than Utah as a whole, for similar reasons. |
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*Who were Miller's "church leaders"? A bishop? A stake president? An elders' quorum president? High priests' group leader? Did he interpret what he was told correctly? There is, of course, no way to say. | *Who were Miller's "church leaders"? A bishop? A stake president? An elders' quorum president? High priests' group leader? Did he interpret what he was told correctly? There is, of course, no way to say. | ||
*Members may believe whatever they wish about such matters. In a work of serious scholarship, however, this tells us little about official LDS doctrine, or even what most members believe. | *Members may believe whatever they wish about such matters. In a work of serious scholarship, however, this tells us little about official LDS doctrine, or even what most members believe. | ||
− | *Non-members, however, might well be confused, and | + | *Non-members, however, might well be confused, and the author does nothing to lessen the confusion. |
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*Dana Miller, "Celestial Polygamy," May 9, 2008, Public Forum letter to the ''Salt Lake Tribune''. | *Dana Miller, "Celestial Polygamy," May 9, 2008, Public Forum letter to the ''Salt Lake Tribune''. |
Revision as of 19:37, 18 March 2009
Chapter 7 | A FAIR Analysis of: Criticism of Mormonism/Books A work by author: George D. Smith
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"Joseph Smith's diaries [are] silent on his courtships and marriages." |
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Censorship of Church History (edit) |
453 |
The only mention of a marriage by Joseph is in April 1842; "The History of the Church deleted even that one citation." |
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Censorship of Church History (edit) |
473 |
"…the polygamous family associations of Joseph Smith, and now even Brigham Young, are not acknowledged in LDS gatherings…." |
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Censorship of Church History (edit) |
513 |
Munster Anabaptists' practices were "reminiscent of Brigham Young's policies," and "over hundred women were allowed to divorce the men they had been forced to marry." |
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532 |
Hyde…might have been sensitized by Joseph Smith's 1831 suggestion of plural marriage to Native Americans and therefore judged the Cochranites less harshly than otherwise. |
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535 |
Joseph Smith had offered a time frame for Jesus' return, deciding that 'fifty-six years should wind up the scene and the Saviour should come to his people.' He made this assessment in February 1835." |
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Predicting 2nd Coming (edit) |
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Before 1890 “the number of [polygamy] practitioners had expanded exponentially.” In support of this, we are told that "67 percent in Orderville, Utah" were polygamists. |
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Statistical problems (edit) |
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"The leaders in Salt Lake…failed to comprehend how unsavoury it appeared for a man of high priesthood rank to claim the wife of someone of lower status if a missionary's wife was loaned to someone else during the husband's absence." |
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Brigham Young's 8 October 1861 talk (edit) |
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[continued from above] "Both Joseph Smith and Brigham Young had set such examples." |
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Brigham Young's 8 October 1861 talk (edit) |
546 |
Communist author Friedrich Engels wrote "that with every great revolutionary movement the question of 'free love' comes into the foreground." |
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546 |
"Tours of [Brigham Young's] Salt Lake City home, the Beehive House, notably omit mention of Young's numerous wives." |
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547 |
"Dana Miller of Idaho Falls was told by his church leaders that 'men will have more than one wife in the celestial kingdom. It's doctrinal.'" |
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Endnotes
- [note] Gregory L. Smith, personal communication to FAIR, 22 December 2008 (used with permission).
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