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====375 epigraph (PB)==== | ====375 epigraph (PB)==== | ||
− | ||Gordon B. Hinckley is listed as "President, Mormon Church" | + | || |
+ | *Gordon B. Hinckley is listed as "President, Mormon Church" | ||
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*There is no church called the "Mormon Church." | *There is no church called the "Mormon Church." | ||
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====375, n3 (PB)==== | ====375, n3 (PB)==== | ||
− | ||The author presents his second significant reason that people join the Church as "the long-held Mormon notion that Latter-day Saints are innately better than non-Mormons." | + | || |
+ | *The author presents his second significant reason that people join the Church as "the long-held Mormon notion that Latter-day Saints are innately better than non-Mormons." | ||
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*{{FalseStatement}} | *{{FalseStatement}} | ||
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====376 (PB)==== | ====376 (PB)==== | ||
− | ||Does the Church have a "standard practice" of "not disclosing controversial doctrines?" | + | || |
+ | *Does the Church have, as the book claims, a "standard practice" of "not disclosing controversial doctrines?" | ||
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*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language]] | *[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language]] | ||
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====376 (PB)==== | ====376 (PB)==== | ||
− | ||Did early LDS leaders take a "staunchly anti-Christian stance?" | + | || |
+ | *Did early LDS leaders take a "staunchly anti-Christian stance?" | ||
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*[[Did early LDS leaders denounce Christianity|Did early LDS leaders denounce Christianity?]] | *[[Did early LDS leaders denounce Christianity|Did early LDS leaders denounce Christianity?]] | ||
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====377, n8(PB)==== | ====377, n8(PB)==== | ||
− | ||Did Joseph actually say that all the ''churches'' of Christendom "were all wrong" and that ''Christian ministers'' "were all corrupt?" | + | || |
+ | *Did Joseph actually say that all the ''churches'' of Christendom "were all wrong" and that ''Christian ministers'' "were all corrupt?" | ||
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*{{AbanesBecomingGodsOther|Index#26}} | *{{AbanesBecomingGodsOther|Index#26}} | ||
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− | ||Did Joseph claim that all other churches were founded by Satan and part of the "satanic world system?" | + | || |
+ | *Did Joseph claim that all other churches were founded by Satan and part of the "satanic world system?" | ||
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*[[Great and abominable church]] | *[[Great and abominable church]] | ||
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====377, 600n11-14 (PB)==== | ====377, 600n11-14 (PB)==== | ||
− | ||Did LDS leaders | + | || |
+ | *Did LDS leaders spend 150 years calling Christians "derogatory names" and insulting them? | ||
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*[[Did early LDS leaders denounce Christianity|Did early LDS leaders denounce Christianity?]] | *[[Did early LDS leaders denounce Christianity|Did early LDS leaders denounce Christianity?]] | ||
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+ | *The book presents a table contrasting "Mormon Beliefs About Jesus" with "Christian Beliefs About Jesus." | ||
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*[[One Nation Under Gods#"Mormon Beliefs About Jesus" versus "Christian Beliefs About Jesus"|One Nation Under Gods—"Mormon Beliefs About Jesus" versus "Christian Beliefs About Jesus"]] | *[[One Nation Under Gods#"Mormon Beliefs About Jesus" versus "Christian Beliefs About Jesus"|One Nation Under Gods—"Mormon Beliefs About Jesus" versus "Christian Beliefs About Jesus"]] | ||
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====379 601n22(PB)==== | ====379 601n22(PB)==== | ||
− | ||Did President Hinckley actually "confess" that Latter-day Saint do ''not'' believe in the same 'Jesus' in which non-LDS Christians believe? | + | || |
+ | *Did President Hinckley actually "confess" that Latter-day Saint do ''not'' believe in the same 'Jesus' in which non-LDS Christians believe? | ||
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*This was no "confession"—President Hinckley was bearing testimony of Christ. | *This was no "confession"—President Hinckley was bearing testimony of Christ. | ||
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− | ||Is the "LDS teaching" that there exists more than one god is refuted by the Bible? | + | || |
+ | *Is the "LDS teaching" that there exists more than one god is refuted by the Bible? | ||
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*[[Polytheism]] | *[[Polytheism]] | ||
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+ | *If the Bible says that "God will share His glory with no one," then how could one hope to become like Him? | ||
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* These verses say God will not ''give'' his glory to another. That is, God will not cease to be God or decline in glory. But, the scriptures are clear that God will ''share'' his glory with others: "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne" ({{b||Revelation|3|21}}). | * These verses say God will not ''give'' his glory to another. That is, God will not cease to be God or decline in glory. But, the scriptures are clear that God will ''share'' his glory with others: "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne" ({{b||Revelation|3|21}}). | ||
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− | ||Paul said in the Bible that "the natural (or physical) comes first, then comes the spiritual." Why then, did Brigham Young say that people are "made first spiritual, and afterwards temporal?" | + | || |
+ | *Paul said in the Bible that "the natural (or physical) comes first, then comes the spiritual." Why then, did Brigham Young say that people are "made first spiritual, and afterwards temporal?" | ||
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* The verse in Paul is speaking of the resurrection, not pre-mortal life. See: [[../../Use of sources/Natural before spiritual|Use of sources: Natural before spiritual body?]] | * The verse in Paul is speaking of the resurrection, not pre-mortal life. See: [[../../Use of sources/Natural before spiritual|Use of sources: Natural before spiritual body?]] | ||
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− | ||Do LDS dismiss the Bible's teachings "whenever they contradict official LDS beliefs?" | + | || |
+ | *Do LDS dismiss the Bible's teachings "whenever they contradict official LDS beliefs?" | ||
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*{{SourceDistortion}}: Elder McConkie wrote simply that "The Church uses the King James Version of the Bible, but acceptance of the Bible is coupled with a reservation that it is true only insofar as translated correctly." Thus, the Bible is scripture, but if the translation or transmission of the text has been corrupted, why ought one to accept it? | *{{SourceDistortion}}: Elder McConkie wrote simply that "The Church uses the King James Version of the Bible, but acceptance of the Bible is coupled with a reservation that it is true only insofar as translated correctly." Thus, the Bible is scripture, but if the translation or transmission of the text has been corrupted, why ought one to accept it? | ||
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− | ||Did LDS leaders repeatedly condemn the Bible? | + | || |
+ | *Did LDS leaders repeatedly condemn the Bible? | ||
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* Leaders did not "condemn the Bible," but (as the title of Elder Pratt's work shows) argued that the divided state of Christendom was ample testimony that the Bible alone did not seem ''sufficient'' to settle all doctrinal arguments and difficulties. It is difficult to question this, with various Christian sects which continue to proliferate. | * Leaders did not "condemn the Bible," but (as the title of Elder Pratt's work shows) argued that the divided state of Christendom was ample testimony that the Bible alone did not seem ''sufficient'' to settle all doctrinal arguments and difficulties. It is difficult to question this, with various Christian sects which continue to proliferate. | ||
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− | ||Did the Church present itself as a "Christian organization" only by restricing accurate information about LDS beliefs? | + | || |
+ | *Did the Church present itself as a "Christian organization" only by restricing accurate information about LDS beliefs? | ||
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*The irony is thick when ''this'' book complains about the "dissemination of incomplete and deceptive information." | *The irony is thick when ''this'' book complains about the "dissemination of incomplete and deceptive information." | ||
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− | ||Did Gordon B. Hinckely answer questions evasively? | + | || |
+ | *Did Gordon B. Hinckely answer questions about LDS doctrine evasively? | ||
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*[[Downplaying_the_King_Follett_Discourse|Downplaying LDS doctrine?]] | *[[Downplaying_the_King_Follett_Discourse|Downplaying LDS doctrine?]] | ||
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− | ||Gordon B. Hinckley said: "None of you need worry because you read something that was incompletely reported. You need not worry that I do not understand some matters of doctrine. I think I understand them thoroughly." | + | || |
+ | *Gordon B. Hinckley said: "None of you need worry because you read something that was incompletely reported. You need not worry that I do not understand some matters of doctrine. I think I understand them thoroughly." | ||
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*[[Downplaying_the_King_Follett_Discourse|Downplaying LDS doctrine?]] | *[[Downplaying_the_King_Follett_Discourse|Downplaying LDS doctrine?]] | ||
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+ | *{{AuthorQuote|"The masking of Mormonism has continued unabated...Mormonism's smoke-screen of words has served to greatly confuse observers..."}} | ||
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*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | *[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | ||
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− | ||Have Latter-day Saints attempted to "infiltrate" Christian churches in order to convert entire congregations? | + | || |
+ | *Have Latter-day Saints attempted to "infiltrate" Christian churches in order to convert entire congregations? | ||
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* How, exactly, do members of the Church 'infiltrate' other denominations? When their deception became known, would the pastor not turn away? How do the members of the Church manage to brainwash these pastors into accepting their theology anyway? | * How, exactly, do members of the Church 'infiltrate' other denominations? When their deception became known, would the pastor not turn away? How do the members of the Church manage to brainwash these pastors into accepting their theology anyway? | ||
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− | ||Is the LDS Church really a "cult?" | + | || |
+ | *Is the LDS Church really a "cult?" | ||
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*[[LDS Church is a cult]] | *[[LDS Church is a cult]] | ||
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− | ||The author states that LDS leaders will have to "completely sever its ties with Christianity" in order not to be called a "cult" and gain "legitimacy." | + | || |
+ | *The author states that LDS leaders will have to "completely sever its ties with Christianity" in order not to be called a "cult" and gain "legitimacy." | ||
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*The idea that Latter-day Saints will ever disassociate themselves from Christ is an extremely absurd claim. | *The idea that Latter-day Saints will ever disassociate themselves from Christ is an extremely absurd claim. | ||
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=Further reading= | =Further reading= | ||
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Claims made in "Chapter 17: Is Mormonism Christian"
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