Difference between revisions of "Criticism of Mormonism/Books/One Nation Under Gods/Chapter 18"

m (→‎418, 609n58)
m (→‎424, 610n78)
Line 351: Line 351:
 
||LDS leaders "apparent lack of discernment with regard to Hofmann's legitimacy refuted in a most visible way the LDS belief that church leaders are divinely enabled by God to know deception when they see it."
 
||LDS leaders "apparent lack of discernment with regard to Hofmann's legitimacy refuted in a most visible way the LDS belief that church leaders are divinely enabled by God to know deception when they see it."
 
||
 
||
 +
*{{FalseStatement}}: LDS doctrine is very clear that prophets will ''not'' always know deception when they see it.  For it to be otherwise would be to threaten moral agency.  Said the Lord to Joseph Smith: " as you cannot always judge the righteous, or as you cannot always tell the wicked from the righteous, therefore I say unto you, hold your peace until I shall see fit to make all things known unto the world concerning the matter" ({{s||DC|10|37}}).
 +
*[[../../Use of sources/Church leaders will always know deception|Use of sources: Church leaders will always know deception]]
 
||
 
||
 
*Bruce R. McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', 197.
 
*Bruce R. McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', 197.

Revision as of 18:24, 13 January 2009


Claims made in "Chapter 17: Is Mormonism Christian?"
A FAIR Analysis of:
Criticism of Mormonism/Books
A work by author: Richard Abanes
 Claims made in "Postscript" (paperback only)

Claims made in "Chapter 18: Cover-Ups, Conspiracies, and Controversies"

[T]he general public, especially outside America, still possesses little knowledge of the unsavory nature of Mormonism.
—One Nation Under Gods, p. 403.

∗       ∗       ∗
Page Claim Response Author's sources

402 (PB)

 The Mormon Tabernacle Choir "has been one of the most effective tools of evangelism used by Latter-day Saints to proselytize unsuspecting music lovers..."
  • Author's opinion.

403

 "[T]he general public, especially outside America, still possesses little knowledge of the unsavory nature of Mormonism."
  • Author's opinion.

403, 605n9

 Baptisms for the dead were performed for "various Nazis, including Adolf Hitler, whom Mormons sealed for eternity to his mistress, Eva Braun. It was apparently done in order to give Hitler and his henchmen an opportunity to accept Mormonism in the afterlife and thereby become gods."
  • Members of the Church leave all judgment in God's hands. They are commanded to perform vicarious ordinances for all deceased persons for whom records exist. This is no way guarantees or implies Hitler's acceptance of Mormonism or forgiveness. Such matters are left to God.
  • Does the author really wish to imply, though, that even the most wicked sinner might be beyond the reach of Christ's atoning grace? The Latter-day Saints do not.
  • Baptism for the dead
  • Loaded and prejudicial language
  • Helen Radkey, "The Mormon Church Attempts to Conceal Temple Records for Adolf Hitler"
  • Jan Cienski, "Jews Urge Mormons to Curb Zeal," National Post, June 6, 2001.

403

 Baptisms for the dead are "a non-Christian practice."
  •  The author's claim is false: the Bible itself describes Christians carrying out this practice: 1 Corinthians 15:29.
  • It may not be a practice found in the author's brand of Christianity, but it has ample precedent among early believers.
  • Hugh W. Nibley, "Baptism for the Dead in Ancient Times," Improvement Era (1948, 1949), multiple. off-site
  • Baptism for the dead
  • Author's opinion.

404

 "It is possible that many readers of this book have had their deceased relatives baptized by proxy into Mormonism, even though such persons might not have wanted anything to do with Mormonism during their lives."
  • Author's opinion.

Section: "Unhistorical History"

Page Claim Response Author's sources

404, 605n14

 "Mormons took it upon themselves to baptize...Jews who had perished in Nazi concentration camps."
  • Bob Mims, "LDS Try to End Unauthorized Work for Jews," Salt Lake Tribune, May 2, 2001.

405, 605n18-19

 LDS leaders "actively suppress the activities of would-be researchers in Mormon archives."
  • Steven L. Olsen, "Is the Church Archives Closed?" (FAIR Conference, 2007). FAIR link
  • The author fails to note that Fawn Brodie worked in the 1940s, when the archives were less well-organized—her experience is irrelevant to the present-day.
  • Censorship_and_revision_of_LDS_history
  • Fawn Brodie. Quoted by Newell G. Bringhurst, "Fawn McKay Brodie: Dissident Historian and Quintessential Critic of Mormondom," in Roger Launius, Linda Thatcher, Leonard J. Arrington, eds., Differing Visions: Dissenters in Mormon History, 290.
  • B. Carmon Hardy, "Truth and Mistruth in Mormon History," in Lavina Fielding Anderson and Janice Merrill Allred, eds., Case Reports of the Mormon Alliance, vol. 3, 279. (The author lists all three volumes as "available for purchase" from the Tanner's ULM.)

405, 605n21

 "LDS leaders re-write historical documents, deny that other documents exist, create fictitious historical data, add words to update old revelations so that they conform to current events/knowledge, and delete various sections of divine pronouncements said to have been transcribe perfectly when originally delivered."

406, n22

 The History of the Church was "supposedly written by Joseph Smith" but was mostly written after his death.
  • This is no secret; using Joseph's authorial voice was standard practice for the day.
  • The history was completed up to 5 August 1838 under Joseph's direction (See Jesse, 466).
  • Authorship of History of the Church

406

 Changing the history so that it "read as if Joseph Smith himself had written the material...was a flagrant breach of standard protocol for persons producing historical works."
  •  The author's claim is false: using Joseph's authorial voice was standard practice for the day.
  • The Jesse article cited above by the author demonstrates that no effort was made to hide who had written the history.
  • Authorship of History of the Church
  • Presentism
  • No citation provided.

406, 606n23

 One of the "forged predictions" added to the history was that of a "mighty people" that would dwell "in the midst of the Rocky Mountains."
  • History of the Church, vol. 5, 85, 393-394, 398.
  • No other citation is given to support this claim, but the argument is found in Jerald and Sandra Tanner, The Changing World of Mormonism (Moody Press, 1979),  [ATTENTION!].([[The Changing World of Mormonism/Index [ATTENTION!]| Index of claims ]])

406, 606n23

 One of the "forged predictions" added to the history was "about the political career of Senator Steven A. Douglas." [check spelling] - Should be "Stephen"
  •  The author's claim is false: in fact, the prediction was published more than a year before Douglas' attack on the Church; this was well-before his aspirations to the U.S. presidency or fall in political fortunes.
  • Timing of Stephen A. Douglas prophecy [ATTENTION!]
  • History of the Church, vol. 5, 85, 393-394, 398.
  • No other citation is given to support this claim.

407, 606n26

 "[M]ore than 62,000 words were either added or deleted" from the history. The endnote adds that "Mormon leaders additionally claim that their official history is not only 'an unusually accurate historical document,' but is 'the most accurate history in all the world'"


  • John Widtsoe, Joseph Smith-Seeker After Truth, 297.
  • Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 2, 199.

407

 Volume six of the History of the Church "contains the minutes from Smith's October 1843 church conference regarding Sidney Rigdon....But when compared to the minutes originally printed in the Times and Seasons....the revised/modern version reveals an account exactly opposite of what actually happened."
  • History of the Church, vol. 6, 47-48.
  • Times and Seasons, vol. 4, 330.

408, 608n28 (HB) 606n28 (PB)

 "Another tactic utilized by Mormon leaders has been to revise Smith's revelations so as to make the church's history more palatable."
  • Hugh Nibley, letter to Morris L. Reynolds, May 12, 1966. Quoted in Jerald Tanner and Sandra Tanner, Case Against Mormonism (Salt Lake City: ULM, 1967), vol. 1, 132.

408, 607n33 (PB)

 "LDS officials in the early 1960s" attempted to "suppress a copy of the Book of Commandments locked in their church archives."
  • Tanner and Tanner, Major Problems of Mormonism, 135.

Section "Thinking is a Sin"

Page Claim Response Author's sources

412

 "Most of the academic dishonesty foisted upon church members by LDS scholars and leaders relates to the Mormon notion that all works of history must be 'faith-promoting.'"
  • No source provided.

412

 "Mormonism has been an emotion-based religion opposed to intellectual, rational thought."
  • Many Mormons seem to have been able to use "intellectual, rational thought" to demonstrate the many errors, distortions, and misstatements in this work attacking their faith.
  • LDS testimonies involve both mind and heart.
  • Members of the Church become more active and committed to their faith as their degree of education increases: Education and belief. This does not prove the Church true, but it does put the lie to claims that members are ill-informed, uneducated, or ignorant.
  • Loaded and prejudicial language
  • Author's opinion.

412

 Latter-day Saints are supposed to only rely on the "burning in the bosom" even "when faced with irrefutable facts that undermine the LDS church."
  • Author's opinion.

412, 607n34

 Latter-day Saints are instructed to "simply not think and obey church authorities." The endnote states: "The message has never been rescinded in any official way."
  • "Ward Teachers Message," Deseret News, May 26, 1945, 5.
  • Improvement Era, June 1945, 354.

413-414, 609-610n39 (HB)

 "Some of the most disturbing instructions about blind obedience came from LDS president Ezra Taft Benson in his 'Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet' speech. His fundamentals for living a righteous Mormon life left little room for independent thought."
  • Ezra Taft Benson, "Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet," February 26, 1980.

Section "The Mormon Purge"

Page Claim Response Author's sources

414, 608n42 (PB)

 Quoting Steven Benson: "When the prophet has spoken, the debate is over."
  •  The author's claim is false: This claim was made once in a church magazine, and the president of the Church immediately declared it to be false. Anti-Mormons continue to invoke it.
  • When the Prophet speaks, the thinking is done? (non-wiki)
  • Steve Benson, 60 Minutes, April 7, 1996.

415, 608-609n43-57 (PB)

 The Church excommunicated a number of "perceived dissidents."
  • Jerald and Sandra Tanner, "Mormon Inquisition?" LDS Leaders Move to Repress Rebellion," Salt Lake City Messenger (#85), November 1993.
  • Lavina Fielding Anderson, "The LDS Intellectual Community and Church Leadership: A Contemporary Chronology," Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought (Spring 1993), vol. 26.
  • Paul Toscano, "All Is Not Well in Zion: Falsoe Teachings of the True Church" (1993), Sunstone Symposium lecture.
  • Maxine Hanks, Women and Authority: Re-emerging Mormon Feminism.
  • D. Michael Quinn, "On Being a Mormon Historian (and Its Aftermath)," in George D. Smith, Faithful History: Essays On Writing Mormon History, 76 (endnote #22 in Quinn).
  • Boyd K. Packer, "The Mantle Is Far, Far Greater Than the Intellect", August, 22, 1981.
  • Boyd K. Packer, Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled, 106.
  • Boyd K. Packer. Quoted in Salt Lake Tribune, September 20, 1993.
  • Private Eye Weekly, Oct. 20, 1993. Quoted in Tanner and Tanner, "Mormon Inquisition?", 9.
  • Bryan Waterman and Brian Kagel, The Lord's University: Freedom and Authority at BYU.
  • David P. Wright, "In Plain Terms that We May Understand: Joseph Smith's Transformation of Hebrews in Alma 12-13" in Brent Metcalfe, ed., New Approaches to the Book of Mormon, 207.

418, 609n58

 President Hinckley said "that all such enemies of the church deserve what they get as cursed servants of Satan." President Hinckley said:

"I think the Lord had them in mind when he declared: 'Cursed are all those that shall life up the heel against mine anointed, saith the Lord.'...[T]hey are the servants of sin, and are the children of disobedience themselves."

  • Gordon B. Hinckley, "Prophet Pre-eminently Grateful for Testimony," LDS Church News, April 8, 2000.

418, 609n59-60

 The "Strengthening Church Members Committee" is a "pseudo-clandestine group to spy on Church members."

Peggy Fletcher Stack, "Feminist BYU Professor Fired, but Not Discredited," Salt Lake Tribune, June 8, 1996.

Section "Skeletons in the Closet"

Page Claim Response Author's sources

419

 The 1997 Relief Society manual made it sound as if Brigham Young only had one wife and six children.
  • 1997 Relief Society manual.

420, 609n63

 Gordon B. Hinckley "did his best to cover-up polygamy" when he appeared on Larry King Live and said that only two to five percent of the early LDS practiced it.
  • Larry King Live

420, 610n68-71

 The Book of Mormon claims that Native Americans "would miraculously turn white-skinned" by accepting "Mormon beliefs." Brigham Young and Spencer W. Kimball said that they would become "white and delightsome."
  • 2 Nephi 5꞉21
  • Brigham Young, [ Journal of Discourses 7:336].
  • Spencer W. Kimball, Improvement Era, December 1960, 922-923. Qjuoted in Bill McKeever and Eric Johnson, "Pure and Delightsome," Mormonism Researched, Spring 1994, 5.

Section "Hofmann's Deadly Documents"

Page Claim Response Author's sources

422, n75

 The Church acquired the Hofmann documents in order to suppress them.
  • Jerald and Sandra Tanner, "Hofmann Talks," Salt Lake City Messenger (#64), January 1987, 7.

424

 LDS officials "began hindering" the Hofmann investigation by "refusing to divulge information about the various transactions."
  • No source given.

424

 "Mormon leaders also blocked efforts by police to see exactly what documents were in LDS church vaults, apparently knowing that some of their authentic documents not yet released to the public might further damage the church's reputation if the contents of them were to be revealed."
  • This is pure conjecture on the part of the author.

424, 610n77

 According to the Tanners, Richard Turley's book Victims: The LDS Church and the Mark Hofmann Case "shows that Mormon Church leaders were engaged in a conspiracy of silence with regard to the McLellin collection to save the church's image."
  • Jerald and Sandra Tanner, "Mormon Leaders suppress 'Key' Item in Murder Case," Salt Lake City Messenger (#83), November 1992, 3-4.

424, 610n78

 LDS leaders "apparent lack of discernment with regard to Hofmann's legitimacy refuted in a most visible way the LDS belief that church leaders are divinely enabled by God to know deception when they see it."
  •  The author's claim is false: LDS doctrine is very clear that prophets will not always know deception when they see it. For it to be otherwise would be to threaten moral agency. Said the Lord to Joseph Smith: " as you cannot always judge the righteous, or as you cannot always tell the wicked from the righteous, therefore I say unto you, hold your peace until I shall see fit to make all things known unto the world concerning the matter" (DC 10꞉37).
  • Use of sources: Church leaders will always know deception
  • Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 197.
  • D&C 46:27

Dunn in God's Name

Page Claim Response Author's sources

427

 "The Mormon habit of sometimes taking detours around truth to protect the church has not always led to murder."
  • Author's statement.

428, n85

 Paul H. Dunn defended his "fabrications" in order to "illustrate his theological and moral points." (second quote is from cited source)
  • Richard Robertson, Arizona Republic, February 16, 1991, B9.

Section "Mormon Games"

Page Claim Response Author's sources

430-433

 The author recounts the Salt Lake Olympic bribery scandal.
  • It is not clear what the actions of these individuals, despite the fact that some were LDS, has to do with the Church itself.
  • Various citations regarding the scandal.

Section: "America's Mormon Destiny"

Page Claim Response Author's sources

434, 614n117-127

 The belief that Latter-day Saints will "rescue the Constitution from ruin, and in so doing, ascend to a place of pre-eminence over America, and eventually the world" is "an integral part of Mormonism."
  • No, actually it isn't—it isn't even discussed in Church.
  • Joseph F. Smith, conference Report, October 1912, 11.
  • Melvin J. Ballard, Conference Report, October 1928, 108.
  • Mark E. Petersen, Conference Report, April 1946, 171.
  • Joseph Fielding Smith, Conference REport, April 1950, 159.
  • Harold B. Lee, Conference Report, October 1952, 18.
  • Senator Wallace F. Bennett, BYU Speeches, February 15, 1961, 13.
  • Dr. Ernest L. Wilinson, BYU speeches, April 21, 1966, 7.
  • Ezra Taft Benson, "Jesus Christ-Gifts and Expectations," New Era, May 1975, 19.
  • Ezra Taft Benson, Teaching of Ezra Taft Benson, 619.
  • Daniel H. Ludlow, ed. Selections from Encyclopedia of Mormonism, "The Church and Society," 122.
  • "Weatherman's politics cloud his role on TV," Seattle Times, November 24, 2000, 2.

Further reading

Template code Inserts this reference Click to edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: 8: The Mormon Proposition}} To learn more box:responses to: 8: The Mormon Proposition edit
{{To learn more box:''Under the Banner of Heaven''}} To learn more about responses to: Under the Banner of Heaven edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Robert Price}} To learn more about responses to: Robert Price edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Ankerberg and Weldon}} To learn more about responses to: Ankerberg and Weldon edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Ashamed of Joseph}} To learn more about responses to: Ashamed of Joseph edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Beckwith and Moser}} To learn more about responses to: Beckwith and Moser edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Beckwith and Parrish}} To learn more about responses to: Beckwith and Parrish edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Benjamin Park}} To learn more about responses to: Benjamin Park edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Bible versus Joseph Smith}} To learn more about responses to: Bible versus Joseph Smith edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Bible versus Book of Mormon}} To learn more about responses to: Bible versus Book of Mormon edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: ''Big Love''}} To learn more about responses to: Big Love edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Brett Metcalfe}} To learn more about responses to: Brett Metcalfe edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Bill Maher}} To learn more about responses to: Bill Maher edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Bruce H. Porter}} To learn more about responses to: Bruce H. Porter edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Carol Wang Shutter}} To learn more about responses to: Carol Wang Shutter edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: CES Letter}} To learn more about responses to: CES Letter edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Charles Larson}} To learn more about responses to: Charles Larson edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Christopher Nemelka}} To learn more about responses to: Christopher Nemelka edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Colby Townshed}} To learn more about responses to: Colby Townshed edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Contender Ministries}} To learn more about responses to: Contender Ministries edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Crane and Crane}} To learn more about responses to: Crane and Crane edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: D. Michael Quinn}} To learn more about responses to: D. Michael Quinn edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Dan Vogel}} To learn more about responses to: Dan Vogel edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: David John Buerger}} To learn more about responses to: David John Buerger edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: David Persuitte}} To learn more about responses to: David Persuitte edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Denver Snuffer}} To learn more about responses to: Denver Snuffer edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Dick Bauer}} To learn more about responses to: Dick Bauer edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Duwayne R Anderson}} To learn more about responses to: Duwayne R Anderson edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Earl Wunderli}} To learn more about responses to: Earl Wunderli edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Ed Decker}} To learn more about responses to: Ed Decker edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Erikson and Giesler}} To learn more about responses to: Erikson and Giesler edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Ernest Taves}} To learn more about responses to: Ernest Taves edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Fawn Brodie}} To learn more about responses to: Fawn Brodie edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: George D Smith}} To learn more about responses to: George D Smith edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Grant Palmer}} To learn more about responses to: Grant Palmer edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Hank Hanegraaff}} To learn more about responses to: Hank Hanegraaff edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Hurlbut-Howe}} To learn more about responses to: Hurlbut-Howe edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: James Brooke}} To learn more about responses to: James Brooke edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: James Spencer}} To learn more about responses to: James Spencer edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: James White}} To learn more about responses to: James White edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Jerald and Sandra Tanner}} To learn more about responses to: Jerald and Sandra Tanner edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Jesus Christ-Joseph Smith or Search for the Truth DVD}} To learn more about responses to: Jesus Christ-Joseph Smith or Search for the Truth DVD edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: John Dehlin}} To learn more about responses to: John Dehlin edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Jonathan Neville}} To learn more about responses to: Jonathan Neville edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Kurt Van Gorden}} To learn more about responses to: Kurt Van Gorden edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Laura King Newell and Valeen Tippetts Avery}} To learn more about responses to: Laura King Newell and Valeen Tippetts Avery edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Loftes Tryk aka Lofte Payne}} To learn more about responses to: Loftes Tryk aka Lofte Payne edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Luke WIlson}} To learn more about responses to: Luke WIlson edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Marquardt and Walters}} To learn more about responses to: Marquardt and Walters edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Martha Beck}} To learn more about responses to: Martha Beck edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Mcgregor Ministries}} To learn more about responses to: Mcgregor Ministries edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: McKeever and Johnson}} To learn more about responses to: McKeever and Johnson edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: New Approaches}} To learn more about responses to: New Approaches to the Book of Mormon edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Richard Abanes}} To learn more about responses to: Richard Abanes edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Richard Van Wagoner}} To learn more about responses to: Richard Van Wagoner edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Richard and Joan Ostling}} To learn more about responses to: Richard and Joan Ostling edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Rick Grunger}} To learn more about responses to: Rick Grunger edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Robert Ritner}} To learn more about responses to: Robert Ritner edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Rod Meldrum}} To learn more about responses to: Rod Meldrum edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Roger I Anderson}} To learn more about responses to: Roger I Anderson edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Ronald V. Huggins}} To learn more about responses to: Ronald V. Huggins edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Sally Denton}} To learn more about responses to: Sally Denton edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Simon Southerton}} To learn more about responses to: Simon Southerton edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Thomas Murphy}} To learn more about responses to: Thomas Murphy edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Todd Compton}} To learn more about responses to: Todd Compton edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Vernal Holley}} To learn more about responses to: Vernal Holley edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Walter Martin}} To learn more about responses to: Walter Martin edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Wesley Walters}} To learn more about responses to: Wesley Walters edit
{{To learn more box:responses to: Will Bagley}} To learn more about responses to: Will Bagley edit
Retrieved from "https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/index.php?title=Criticism_of_Mormonism/Books/One_Nation_Under_Gods/Chapter_18&oldid=36645"