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||The author claims that in 1998, Apostle David B. Haight "reinvoked the astrological principle that people should 'do nothing without the assistance of the moon'" | ||The author claims that in 1998, Apostle David B. Haight "reinvoked the astrological principle that people should 'do nothing without the assistance of the moon'" | ||
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− | *The author does not include Quinn's primary source for this statement from Elder Haight. | + | *The author does not include Quinn's primary source for this statement from Elder Haight. |
+ | *Quinn's statement from ''Mormonism and the Magic World View'' (p.291): | ||
+ | <blockquote> | ||
+ | "Without mentioning astrology Apostle David B. Haight in 1998 reinvoked the astrological principle that people should 'do nothing without the assistance of the Moon'. (See ch 3)" (Endnote 412) | ||
+ | </blockquote> | ||
+ | :Quinn's endote, however, says nothing about Elder Haight: | ||
+ | <blockquote> | ||
+ | :Endnote 412: "Agrippa, Three Books of Occult Philosophy, 279:Barrett, The Magus, 1:148; also Patrick Curry, Prophecy, and Power: Astrology in Early Modern England (Princeton, NJ: Princeton Press 1989),11" | ||
+ | </blockquote> | ||
+ | *From the author's later book [[Becoming Gods|''Becoming Gods'']] p. 352, endnote 155: | ||
+ | <blockquote> | ||
+ | "Haight's remark 'do nothing without the assistance of the moon was made during his lecture at the 168th Annual General Conference. But when the transcribed text of the speech was madce available online through the LDS Church's official Internet site, the phrase had been deleted" | ||
+ | </blockquote> | ||
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*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Magic World View|pages= 291}} | *{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Magic World View|pages= 291}} | ||
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||"There is no question that [Mormonism] began as a doomsday sect led by an end-time prophet." | ||"There is no question that [Mormonism] began as a doomsday sect led by an end-time prophet." |
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Claims made in "Chapter 4: Smith's Golden Book" | A FAIR Analysis of: Criticism of Mormonism/Books A work by author: Richard Abanes
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Claims made in "Chapter 6: No rest for the Righteous" |
Claims made in "Chapter 5: People of Zion"
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83, 517n2 (HB) |
"The Mormon church was formally organized in New York..." |
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517n2 (HB) |
"[t]he Mormon church's official name evolved from The Church of Christ (April 1830) to The Church of the Latter Day Saints (May 1834) to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (April 1838)." |
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86, n22-23 (HB) |
"anti-Christendom" became a "defining feature of Mormonism," which denounced all denominational forms of Christianity as "satanic." |
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86, n24-25 |
Mormonism "officially still teaches that all Christian churches are corrupt," and that "Satan sits in the place of God in Christianity." |
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87, 517n26 |
"Smith's long association with occultism also helped draw spiritual 'seekers' into Mormonism because his affinity for the paranormal enabled other occultists to easily identify with him." |
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87, 518n31 |
Many of "Smith's followers" used seer stones. |
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88 |
Seer stones were used by Latter-day Saints "well into the late 1800s, due in part to Smith's failure to condemn them." |
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89, 518n47 |
Oliver Cowdery "became extremely proficient at using a divining rod." This gift was praised in a revelation given in april 1829. The endnote states that this revelation "was substantially changed to conceal the original statement about Oliver working with the divining rod, an obvious reference to an occult practice." |
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89, 518n49 |
Joseph gave Brigham Young and Heber C. Kimball divining rods "as a symbol of gratitude for their loyalty." |
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89 |
Joseph's family had a "magic dagger." |
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89-90, 519n53-57 |
Joseph's family had "three homemade magical parchments." *The text mentions the ""Holiness to the Lord,"" the ""Saint Peter Bind Them,"" and the ""Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah"" parchments without showing how they are related to the Smith family. |
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89 |
Joseph had a "Jupiter talisman" with him the day he died. |
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90, 519n58 |
Joseph organized the Church on April 6, 1830 because it was "a day known as the beneficial "DAY-FATALITY" in folk belief." |
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519n58 |
The author claims that in 1998, Apostle David B. Haight "reinvoked the astrological principle that people should 'do nothing without the assistance of the moon'" |
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92 |
"There is no question that [Mormonism] began as a doomsday sect led by an end-time prophet." |
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95, 522n74 (HB) |
Martin Harris stated that "all temporal and spiritual power would be given over to The Prophet Joseph Smith." |
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99, 521n97 |
The author states that Joseph claimed that his revision of the Bible "not only deleted mistakes in the Bible's first book, but also re-inserted a great deal of material that supposedly had been excised from it by corrupt and evil men." |
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99, n100 |
"Mormon high priests possessed the authority to bestow salvation. Such authority had always been viewed by Christians as belonging to God alone." |
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