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|127 (PB) epigraph||"Some revelations are of God: some revelations are of man: and some revelations are of the devil.
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*This is actually David Whitmer's ''recollection'' of something that he claimed Joseph said to him 50 years earlier.
 
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||Joseph said that "[f]ifty-six years should wind up the scene" before the second coming.
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*[[Joseph Smith prophesied the Second Coming to be in 1890]]
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*''History of the Church'', vol. 2, 182.
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*''History of the Church'', vol. 5, 336.
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====128-9, 528n10 (PB)====
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||The revelations published in the 1835 Doctrine and Covenants "were drastically 'amended, added to, excised, and in some cases assigned different historical settings.'"
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*The inner quote is from Marquardt's book.
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*[[Doctrine and Covenants textual changes]]
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*H. Michael Marquardt, ''The Joseph Smith Revelations: Text & Commentary'', xv.
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====129, 529n14-15 (PB)====
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||Joseph broke Ohio law by marrying Newel Knight to "undivorced Lydia G. Baily," despite having no license to perform marriages in Ohio.
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*Quinn, 88.
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====129, 529n16 (PB)====
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||"Kirtland was full of converts who had left behind them spouses who could not be persuaded to join the church."
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*This is a direct, attributed quote from Brodie's book, however, this is Brodie's own opinion. She does not provide a source to back up this claim.
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*{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows|pages=183}}
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||*In the endnote, the author claims that "[d]isruptions of the family unit and marriage break-ups are often seen among religious groups termed "cults," and that "ex-Mormons have reported that LDS leaders/counselors commonly encourage divorce when the spouse of a faithful Mormon forsakes the faith."
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*This claim is false. Church leaders do not advise divorce under these circumstances.
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*Note that the author takes the opportunity to classify the Church as a "cult" based upon this supposition.
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*No sources provided for this claim.
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||Levi Lewis claimed that Joseph tried to seduce Eliza Winters in 1830.
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*[[The Hurlbut affidavits#Levi Lewis|The Hurlbut affidavits—Levi Lewis]] {{nw}}
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*Levi Lewis, ''Susquehanna Register'', May 1, 1834 reprinted in Howe, ''Mormonism Unvailed'', 268.
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||"Mormon males" were encouraged to take plural wives "of the Lamanites and Nephites" in order to make them "white, delightsome and just."
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*[[Native Americans to become "white and delightsome" through polygamous marriage?]]
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*Marquardt, 375.
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*{{CriticalWork:Tanner:Changing World|pages=210}}
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||"Although Smith never took any Lamanites as wives, he did begin establishing what would gradually become a fairly large harem of young girles and women taken from his flock of "white and delightsome" disciples."
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*[[One Nation Under Gods/Sarcasm]]
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*No source provided.
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||Joseph's first polyamous union was with Fanny Alger.
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*[[Joseph Smith and polygamy/Marriages to young women#Fanny Alger|Joseph Smith and polygamy/Marriages to young women—Fanny Alger]]
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*Andrew Jenson, 233.
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*Benjamin F. Johnson, letter to George S. Gibbs, 1903.
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*{{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy|pages=6-7}}
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*{{CriticalWork:Compton:Sacred Loneliness|pages=31-34}}
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||William McLellin reported that Joseph and Fanny were found "in the barn together alone..."
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*[[Joseph Smith and polygamy/Fanny Alger and William McLellin]]
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*{{CriticalWork:Compton:Sacred Loneliness|pages=35}}
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=Further reading=
 
=Further reading=
 
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Revision as of 11:40, 26 December 2008


Claims made in "Chapter 6: No rest for the Righteous"
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A work by author: Richard Abanes
 Claims made in "Chapter 8: Big Trouble In Little Missouri"

Claims made in "Chapter 7: Woe In Ohio"

Page Claim Response Author's sources

127 epigraph, 527n1 (PB)

 "Some revelations are of God: some revelations are of man: and some revelations are of the devil.
  • David Whitmer, An Address to All Believers in Christ, 31.
  • DC 46꞉7

127-8, 528n5 (PB)

 Joseph said that "[f]ifty-six years should wind up the scene" before the second coming.
  • History of the Church, vol. 2, 182.
  • History of the Church, vol. 5, 336.

128-9, 528n10 (PB)

 The revelations published in the 1835 Doctrine and Covenants "were drastically 'amended, added to, excised, and in some cases assigned different historical settings.'"
  • H. Michael Marquardt, The Joseph Smith Revelations: Text & Commentary, xv.

129, 529n14-15 (PB)

 Joseph broke Ohio law by marrying Newel Knight to "undivorced Lydia G. Baily," despite having no license to perform marriages in Ohio.
  • Quinn, 88.

129, 529n16 (PB)

 "Kirtland was full of converts who had left behind them spouses who could not be persuaded to join the church."
  • This is a direct, attributed quote from Brodie's book, however, this is Brodie's own opinion. She does not provide a source to back up this claim.

529n16 (PB)

 *In the endnote, the author claims that "[d]isruptions of the family unit and marriage break-ups are often seen among religious groups termed "cults," and that "ex-Mormons have reported that LDS leaders/counselors commonly encourage divorce when the spouse of a faithful Mormon forsakes the faith."
  • This claim is false. Church leaders do not advise divorce under these circumstances.
  • Note that the author takes the opportunity to classify the Church as a "cult" based upon this supposition.
  • No sources provided for this claim.

130, 530n22

 Levi Lewis claimed that Joseph tried to seduce Eliza Winters in 1830.
  • Levi Lewis, Susquehanna Register, May 1, 1834 reprinted in Howe, Mormonism Unvailed, 268.

131, 530n23-24 (PB)

 "Mormon males" were encouraged to take plural wives "of the Lamanites and Nephites" in order to make them "white, delightsome and just."

132 (PB)

 "Although Smith never took any Lamanites as wives, he did begin establishing what would gradually become a fairly large harem of young girles and women taken from his flock of "white and delightsome" disciples."
  • No source provided.

132, 530-531n29-36 (PB)

 Joseph's first polyamous union was with Fanny Alger.

133, 531n37 (PB)

 William McLellin reported that Joseph and Fanny were found "in the barn together alone..."

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