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The author states that "any man who defied Young's orders would be put to death was made evident in his statement 'When the time comes to burn and lay waste our improvements, if any man undertakes to shield his, he will be sheared down.'" | The author states that "any man who defied Young's orders would be put to death was made evident in his statement 'When the time comes to burn and lay waste our improvements, if any man undertakes to shield his, he will be sheared down.'" | ||
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*[[Disobey Brigham and be sheared down|Disobey Brigham and be sheared down?]] | *[[Disobey Brigham and be sheared down|Disobey Brigham and be sheared down?]] | ||
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*Gibbs, ''Mountain Meadows Massacre'', 11. | *Gibbs, ''Mountain Meadows Massacre'', 11. | ||
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− | == | + | ==Response to claim: 172 - "droves of Saints leaving California for Utah" and "a matching number leaving Utah of a crisis of conscience spurred by the events of Mountain Meadows"== |
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The author claims that "droves of Saints leaving California for Utah" and "a matching number leaving Utah of a crisis of conscience spurred by the events of Mountain Meadows" were "doomed to pass over the site of the slaughter." | The author claims that "droves of Saints leaving California for Utah" and "a matching number leaving Utah of a crisis of conscience spurred by the events of Mountain Meadows" were "doomed to pass over the site of the slaughter." | ||
− | | | + | |propaganda=The author needs to provide some evidence for this supposed "crisis of conscience." |
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− | == | + | ==Response to claim: 172 - Ann Eliza Young claims that she "knew instinctively, as did many others, that something was being hidden from the mass of the people"== |
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Ann Eliza Young claims that she "knew instinctively, as did many others, that something was being hidden from the mass of the people." | Ann Eliza Young claims that she "knew instinctively, as did many others, that something was being hidden from the mass of the people." | ||
− | | | + | |propaganda=So now, Ann Eliza's intuitions are serving as evidence. Ann Eliza was writing later in life as an anti-Mormon lecturer, and used all the anti-Mormon tropes. |
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* See {{Nibley11|start=413|end=468}} {{GL1|url=http://gospelink.com.gospelink.com/library/document/31152}} | * See {{Nibley11|start=413|end=468}} {{GL1|url=http://gospelink.com.gospelink.com/library/document/31152}} | ||
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− | + | {{CriticalWork:Young:Wife No. 19|pages=229}} | |
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− | == | + | ==Response to claim: 173 - It is claimed that Brigham Young instructed John D. Lee to write a letter laying the blame for the massacre on the Indians== |
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It is claimed that Brigham Young instructed John D. Lee to write a letter laying the blame for the massacre on the Indians. | It is claimed that Brigham Young instructed John D. Lee to write a letter laying the blame for the massacre on the Indians. | ||
− | | | + | |misinformation=As noted on the notes for [[American Massacre/Index#142|p. 142]], local leaders had planned to blame the Indians long before Brigham Young even knew of their intentions, or instructed them to leave the immigrants alone. |
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− | == | + | ==Response to claim: 173 - Brigham is claimed to have told Chief Walker's successor Arapeen to "help himself to what he wanted" of the "spoils of the slaughter"== |
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Brigham is claimed to have told Chief Walker's successor Arapeen to "help himself to what he wanted" of the "spoils of the slaughter." | Brigham is claimed to have told Chief Walker's successor Arapeen to "help himself to what he wanted" of the "spoils of the slaughter." | ||
− | | | + | |misinformation=The author again follows Bagley completely uncritically, and makes the same errors. |
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*''Dimick B. Huntington Journal'', September 20, 1857. | *''Dimick B. Huntington Journal'', September 20, 1857. | ||
*{{CrossRef:Bagley:Blood of the Prophets|pages=170a}} | *{{CrossRef:Bagley:Blood of the Prophets|pages=170a}} | ||
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+ | [[Blood_of_the_Prophets:_Brigham_Young_and_the_Massacre_at_Mountain_Meadows/Use of sources/Indian chief Arapeen given booty|Indian chief Arapeen given booty?]] | ||
− | == | + | ==Response to claim: 176, 180 = Colonel Thomas Kane is portrayed as arrogant, effeminate, a hypochondriac, and with delusions of fame== |
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Colonel Thomas Kane is portrayed as arrogant, effeminate, a hypochondriac, and with delusions of fame. | Colonel Thomas Kane is portrayed as arrogant, effeminate, a hypochondriac, and with delusions of fame. | ||
− | | | + | |propaganda=The author seems to rely heavily on Bagley's treatment here. |
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− | + | {{CrossRef:Bagley:Blood of the Prophets|pages=198}} | |
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+ | [[Mountain Meadows Massacre/Thomas Kane|Thomas Kane]] | ||
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Chapter 11 | A FAIR Analysis of: American Massacre: The Tragedy at Mountain Meadows A work by author: Sally Denton
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The author claims that during meetings with U.S. Army Quartermaster Captain Stewart Van Vliet, Brigham Young had "seen to it that Van Vliet heard nothing of Mountain Meadows," and that the "Mormon leaders worried that if van Vliet relayed news of the situation to Johnston, an invasion of Utah Territory would be expedited."Author's sources: *No source provided for this particular claim, although the following citation is Van Vliet quoted in T.B.H. Stenhouse, Rocky Mountain Saints: a full and complete history of the Mormons, from the first vision of Joseph Smith to the last courtship of Brigham Young (New York: D. Appleton and Company, 1873), 357.
The author claims that Brigham did not preach the sermon at the church meeting attended by Van Vliet because he was "too furious to conduct the service."Author's sources: No source provided. Likely Stenhouse.
The author claims that Brigham made an "oblique but unrecognized reference to the massacre at Mountain Meadows" to Van Vliet when he said "if the government dare to force the issue, I shall not hold the Indians by the wrist any longer...you may tell the government to stop all emigration across the continent, for the Indians will kill all who attempt it."Author's sources: Bancroft, 505.
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The author states that "any man who defied Young's orders would be put to death was made evident in his statement 'When the time comes to burn and lay waste our improvements, if any man undertakes to shield his, he will be sheared down.'"Author's sources:
- Young quoted in Waite, 50.
- See Brigham Young, (13 Sept 1857) Journal of Discourses 5:232.
The author claims that "droves of Saints leaving California for Utah" and "a matching number leaving Utah of a crisis of conscience spurred by the events of Mountain Meadows" were "doomed to pass over the site of the slaughter."Author's sources: No source provided.
Ann Eliza Young claims that she "knew instinctively, as did many others, that something was being hidden from the mass of the people."Author's sources: Ann Eliza Young, Wife No. 19, or the Story of a Life in Bondage...(Hartford, Conn.: Custin, Gilman & Company, 1876), 229.
It is claimed that Brigham Young instructed John D. Lee to write a letter laying the blame for the massacre on the Indians.Author's sources: No source provided.
Brigham is claimed to have told Chief Walker's successor Arapeen to "help himself to what he wanted" of the "spoils of the slaughter."Author's sources:
- Dimick B. Huntington Journal, September 20, 1857.
- Compare treatment in Blood of the Prophets: p. 170a.
Indian chief Arapeen given booty?
Colonel Thomas Kane is portrayed as arrogant, effeminate, a hypochondriac, and with delusions of fame.Author's sources: Compare treatment in Blood of the Prophets: p. 198.
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