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==Question: Was Joseph Smith prone to boasting?==
 
===Joseph made a statement that sounded boastful, and unbecoming a prophet. However, Joseph's quote is taken out of context===
 
 
Joseph Smith is reported as saying:
 
 
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I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam... Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.” ({{HC|vol=6|start=408|end=409}}
 
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This attitude strikes some as boastful, and unbecoming a prophet. However, Joseph's quote is taken out of context. What was Joseph's intent, and why did he use this approach?  As it turns out, he was drawing from the Bible and applying its lessons to his own situation.
 
 
In the original context, Joseph was facing intense persecution by many people, including some he had previously considered to be his friends. The statement about "boasting" was supposedly made about a month before he was killed. He made it after reading {{b|2|Corinthians|11||}} to the congregation. Note the following statement by Paul, in this scripture:
 
 
===Paul: "let no one think me foolish; but if you do, receive me even as foolish, that I also may boast a little"===
 
 
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Again I say, let no one think me foolish; but if you do, receive me even as foolish, that I also may boast a little. That which I am speaking, I am not speaking it as the Lord would, but as in foolishness, in this confidence of boasting. Since many boast according to the flesh, I will boast also. For you, being so wise, bear the foolish gladly. ({{b|2|Corinthians|11|16-19}}, NASB)
 
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Paul then launches into a literary tirade where he claims many things to make himself look the fool, to contrast himself with those who the Corinthians were listening to for their words of salvation, instead of to him. His words were meant to compare and contrast what the Saints at Corinth were doing against what he was offering.
 
 
===Joseph employed the exact same literary approach that Paul the Apostle did===
 
 
Do the critics dismiss the words of Paul and deny his calling as an Apostle because he used such a literary approach that included boasting? No, they do not. Yet, they dismiss Joseph Smith when it is clear by his own statements, in context, that he engaged in the exact same literary approach. Consider the words of Joseph right after reading this chapter of Paul's to the congregation:
 
 
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My object is to let you know that I am right here on the spot where I intend to stay. I, like Paul, have been in perils, and oftener than anyone in this generation. As Paul boasted, I have suffered more than Paul did, I should be like a fish out of water, if I were out of persecutions. Perhaps my brethren think it requires all this to keep me humble. The Lord has constituted me curiously that I glory in persecution. I am not nearly so humble as if I were not persecuted. If oppression will make a wise man mad, much more a fool. If they want a beardless boy to whip all the world, I will get on the top of a mountain and crow like a rooster: I shall always beat them. When facts are proved, truth and innocence will prevail at last. My enemies are no philosophers: they think that when they have my spoke under, they will keep me down; but for the fools, I will hold on and fly over them.<ref>{{HoC1|vol=6|start=408}}</ref>
 
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===It would appear that Paul recognizes the necessity of boasting at times against the wicked and hard-hearted===
 
 
Joseph then makes the statements that the critics attack, in the same way that Paul made outrageous "boasts" to contrast his position with the position of those who the Corinthians were starting to listen to. Paul starts the next chapter of 2 Corinthians with the statement "boasting is necessary, though it is not profitable." So, it would appear that Paul recognizes the necessity of boasting at times against the wicked and hard-hearted (though it may do little good, being unprofitable), yet the critics do not allow Joseph to follow Paul's advice and, of necessity, boast at times.
 
 
Perhaps the critics are unaware of Paul's advice? Or perhaps they apply a double standard where Paul is allowed such literary and rhetorical license, but Joseph is not?
 
 
Such double standards are, sadly, the stock-in-trade of sectarian anti-Mormonism.
 
 
In short, Joseph is using the scripture in Paul as a counter-argument (or a rhetorical device)--he is responding to his critics, and demonstrating that (as with Paul) true messengers from God are often persecuted by those who should listen, while the false and apostate are praised.
 
  
 
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