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|claim=The author claims, "FAIR and these unofficial apologists have done more to destroy my testimony than any anti-Mormon source ever could. I found their version of Mormonism to be alien and foreign to the Chapel Mormonism that I grew up in attending Church, seminary, reading scriptures, General Conferences, EFY, mission, and BYU. Their answers are not only contradictory to the scriptures and teachings I learned through correlated Mormonism…they’re truly bizarre." | |claim=The author claims, "FAIR and these unofficial apologists have done more to destroy my testimony than any anti-Mormon source ever could. I found their version of Mormonism to be alien and foreign to the Chapel Mormonism that I grew up in attending Church, seminary, reading scriptures, General Conferences, EFY, mission, and BYU. Their answers are not only contradictory to the scriptures and teachings I learned through correlated Mormonism…they’re truly bizarre." | ||
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| − | *{{antispeak|caricature}} The author, after noting that he was troubled by Elder Nelson's talk in the ''Ensign'' which mentioned Joseph's use of a stone in a hat, said that "FAIR confirms polyandry and the rock in the hat translation. Both of these issues usually cause severe cog dis in members. They did with me." | + | *{{antispeak|caricature}} The author, after noting that he was troubled by Elder Nelson's talk in the ''Ensign'' which mentioned Joseph's use of a stone in a hat, said that "FAIR confirms polyandry and the rock in the hat translation. Both of these issues usually cause severe cog dis in members. They did with me." One should not reasonably expect FairMormon to deny things that are printed in the ''Ensign,'' such as Elder Nelson's talk which mentions the stone in the hat. That raises the question: How, then, did FairMormon do "more to destroy" the author's testimony than any anti-Mormon source ever could? (This actually reflects a popular and common meme among online ex-Mormons that tries to cast FairMormon as an "anti-Mormon" site. The promotion of this idea is well represented in "A Letter to a CES Editor.") |
| − | *It is clear from | + | *It is clear from the author's statements online (shown below) that he went to MormonThink and online discussion boards well before looking at FairMormon. It is also evident that the author is only familiar with selected quotes from a variety of primary sources (including lds.org) that are included on critical websites. |
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*The author of "A Letter to a CES Director" said on '''October 2, 2012''' | *The author of "A Letter to a CES Director" said on '''October 2, 2012''' | ||
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Contents
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Response to "Conclusion"
| [[../Other Concerns & Questions|Other Concerns & Questions]] | A FAIR Analysis of: [[../|Letter to a CES Director]] A work by author: Jeremy Runnells
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FAIR and these unofficial apologists have done more to destroy my testimony than any anti-Mormon source ever could.
—Jeremy Runnells, "Letter to a CES Director," April 2013
FAIR confirms polyandry and the rock in the hat translation. Both of these issues usually cause severe cog dis in members. They did with me. I mean, once the rock in the hat story was confirmed, the whole thing collapsed because the rock in the hat ruins the official story of ancient prophets creating gold plates for Joseph and the testimony of the witnesses of the gold plates (since Joseph never used the plates anyway).
—Jeremy Runnells, "Letter to a CES Director," April 30, 2013
I used to think the people at FairMormon were just delusional but with honest intentions. Now after dealing with them for close to a year now? They're not only delusional but dishonest and deceptive.
—Jeremy Runnells, author of "Letter to a CES Director" June 22, 2014. [1]
- "Among the first sources I looked to for answers were official Church sources such as Mormon.org and LDS.org. I couldn’t find them."
- "FAIR and these unofficial apologists have done more to destroy my testimony than any anti-Mormon source ever could"
Response Section
"Among the first sources I looked to for answers were official Church sources such as Mormon.org and LDS.org. I couldn’t find them."
"FAIR and these unofficial apologists have done more to destroy my testimony than any anti-Mormon source ever could"
Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship, "Eye of the Beholder, Law of the Harvest: Observations on the Inevitable Consequences of the Different Investigative Approaches of Jeremy Runnells and Jeff Lindsay"
Kevin Christensen, Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship, (2014)A large portion of the complaints that Runnells makes both in his Letter and his response to FairMormon works from an assumption that LDS leadership should display no weakness, have no common manner of language, never err in their statements, never need to seek wisdom since they should already have it all on the shelf, never sin and therefore never need to repent, and have all knowledge from the start so that no one, especially not Runnells, might ever need to change their thinking on any subject, no matter how trivial, especially not after having attended EFY, read some “approved” books, and served a mission.
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Notes
- ↑ Jeremy Runnells, posted as "kolobot" on the ex-Mormon subreddit, June 22, 2014.