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| − | ==A FAIR Analysis of MormonThink page "Blacks and the Priesthood"==
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| − | *Even though the Church has refuted explanations for the priesthood ban, such as not being valiant in the pre-existence, critics are bothered that these explanations are no longer acknowledged.
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| − | *Critics wish to assert that President Kimball did not actually receive a revelation ending the ban, despite his clear statement that he did.
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| − | |claim=The leaders of the church up through the 1970s made it very clear why blacks were denied the priesthood....Mike Wallace: From 1830 to 1978, blacks could not become priests in the Mormon church. Right?
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| − | Gordon B. Hinckley: That's correct.
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| − | Mike Wallace: Why?
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| − | Gordon B. Hinckley: Because the leaders of the church at that time interpreted that doctrine that way.
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| − | Critic's Comment: Hinckley has worked for the Church since 1930. He has been a General Authority since 1951. He was in Quorum of the Twelve meetings when the priesthood ban was discussed, for at least three decades. He was an Apostle during at least 27 years of the priesthood ban. If any Church official would be qualified to answer this question it would be GBH. To not give a complete, truthful answer to these questions is dishonest.
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| − | *How is stating "Because the leaders of the church at that time interpreted that doctrine that way" supposed to be dishonest? They ''did'' interpret the doctrine that way, and came up with reasons for the ban. The modern Church no longer accepts those explanations as valid.
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| − | |summary=Critics frequently parade justifications for the ban by past General Authorities that are considered quite racist by today's standards. While these have not been officially renounced, there is no obligation for current members to accept such sentiments as the "word of the Lord," and they most certainly do not reflect the Church's current position and teachings.
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| − | |claim=2 Nephi 30: 6
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| − | "...their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and a delightsome people."
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| − | NOTE: THE TERM 'WHITE' WAS CHANGED TO 'PURE' IN 1981.
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| − | *This change was originally made in the 1840 edition but went unnoticed until the preparation of the 1981 edition. The change is not (as the critics want to portray it) a "recent" change designed to remove a "racist" original.
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| − | |link=Book of Mormon/Textual changes/"white" changed to "pure"
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| − | |subject="white" changed to "pure" in 2 Nephi 30:6
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| − | |summary=The phrase "white and delightsome" was changed to "pure and delightsome" in the Book of Mormon. Critics accuse the Church of attempting to hide a racially offensive statement.
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| − | |claim=McKeever and Johnson: Although the Mormon Church will not make available the handwritten manuscript of the Book of Mormon, the R.L.D.S. Church has the handwritten printer's copy, which was given to the printer to set the type for the first printing. It too, agrees with the 1830 Edition. It reads "white".
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| − | So, someone originally wrote "white" (1830) and then someone changed it to "pure" (1840) and then back to "white" (after 1840) and then finally to "pure" (1981).
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| − | *This must be pretty old information, because a critical text of all of the Book of Mormon manuscripts (extant portions of the original, and the entire printer's manuscript) have been published by Royal Skousen. Skousen obviously was able to gain access to all of the handwritten manuscripts.
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| − | |summary=The phrase "white and delightsome" was changed to "pure and delightsome" in the Book of Mormon. Critics accuse the Church of attempting to hide a racially offensive statement.
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| − | |claim="Slaves were bought and sold in Utah Territory with the approval of Brigham Young. "By 1850 there were approximately sixty blacks residing in the Utah Territory. The majority were slaves living in Salt Lake, Davis, and Utah counties."
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| − | * LDS scripture forbade slavery ({{s||Alma|27|9-10}}, {{s||DC|101|79}}), but Latter-day Saints (like believers in every age) did not always live up to the light given them. Those who practiced slavery during a historical time in which it was legal will have to answer to God's justice and mercy.
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| − | |claim=The Church has maintained that the 1978 revelation giving blacks the priesthood was not due to any form of public pressure but was simply God's will that blacks should not be given the priesthood until 1978. ..... In early 1978, the U.S. Department of Justice threatens to end the Church's tax-exempt status if it continues to "ban" black Mormons from its temples and priesthood; without such a tax-exempt-status the Church would lose billions of dollars every year. [note:MormonThink can neither confirm nor deny that this event happened but it is mentioned by many critics. This rumor has never been confirmed nor denied by former President Jimmy Carter, who refuses to comment on it according to someone that claims to have written JC numerous times. Also a poster on RFM stated "President Carter referenced his call in his latest book containing the day to day schedule of the President." Again, we at MormonThink cannot confirm or deny this statement.]
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| − | *{{antispeak|unsupported}} Quoting a rumor from critics that cannot be "confirmed or denied" does not constitute data.
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| − | |claim=The 1978 "revelation" was just prior to the temple opening in Sao Paulo Brazil. They had built an area office, distribution center and temple. The population has intermarried to an extent that it could not be determined if the people have any black lineage. The Church had publicly stated that people could not enter the temple if they "had even a drop of negro blood." Who was going to use the temple in Brazil? This was creating a public image nightmare in Brazil.
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| − | *Do the critics think that the Church was ''not'' aware of the demographics of the membership in Brazil ''before'' they built the temple? They make it seem as if the Church suddenly had an unexpected "public image nightmare."
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| − | *Would the Church not have faced the exact same problem in providing priesthood leadership for its wards and stakes in Brazil? A temple is only built in an area when there is sufficient membership to support it. The fact that they built the temple indicates that there was sufficient membership and priesthood leadership present to justify it.
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| − | |subject=Did social pressure play a role in lifting the ban?
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| − | |summary=Critics try to raise doubts about the authenticity of the 1978 revelation by claiming that it was dictated by social or governmental pressure.
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| − | |claim=Bruce McConkie, reports in “The New Revelation on the Priesthood” in Priesthood (Deseret Book, 1981) that “From the midst of eternity, the voice of God, conveyed by the power of the Spirit, spoke to his prophet . . . And we all heard the same voice, received the same message, and became personal witnesses that the word received was the mind and will and voice of the Lord. President Kimball’s prayer was answered and our prayers were answered. He heard the voice and we heard the same voice” (128). He reaffirms, “And when President Kimball finished his prayer, the Lord gave a revelation by the power of the Holy Ghost” (133). However, some of these people may be taking liberties with the phrase "voice of God" as others like Gordon B. Hinckley never claimed to have heard an actual voice. It was more of a feeling that they were doing something right by reversing the ban.
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| − | *Bruce R. McConkie ''clearly'' states that the revelation was received through the power of the Holy Ghost.
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| − | *{{antispeak|fundamentalism}} This is an absurd argument—The critics are taking the position that the "Voice of God" has to be an actual, audible voice. This is similar to their argument that Moroni couldn't have appeared to Joseph Smith in his room because he would have hit his head on the ceiling.
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| − | |claim=Although we don't normally quote from unverified sources, we decided to add this account from someone we know that worked in the administrative staff at the MTC during the time of the announcement:
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| − | We were told, by visiting General Authorities and others from the Church Office Building, that it was not a revelation, but a "negative revelation."
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| − | That is, the First Presidency and the Twelve decided to tell the Lord that they were going to change the policy regarding blacks and the LDS priesthood "unless He gave them a sign to the contrary."In the absence of any sign, they changed the policy.
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| − | No one officially coming over from SLC to the MTC at the time denied this story. It was later that I heard the word "revelation" actually used in conjunction with it. But Elder Le Grand Richard's statements in his interview with Chris Vlachos and Wesley P. Walters supports this version of the events.
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| − | Perhaps many revelations are received this way?
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| − | *{{antispeak|unsupported}} Note that this is the second time that the web page quoted another unverified source.
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| − | *FAIR does not attempt to use unverified anecdotal information to influence the reader. If they cannot verify the source, then the only reason for the critics to quote this at all is to negatively influence the reader.
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| − | |claim=It seems likely from President Spencer W. Kimball's statement printed in the church's own newspaper that he did not receive any word from God concerning the matter (emphasis added):
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| − | I asked the Twelve not to go home when the time came. I said, 'Now would you be willing to remain in the temple with us?' And they were. I offered the final prayer and I told the Lord if it wasn't right, if He didn't want this change to come in the Church that I would be true to it all the rest of my life, and I'd fight the world against it if that's what He wanted. "We had this special prayer circle, then I knew that the time had come. I had a great deal to fight, of course, myself largely, because I had grown up with this thought that Negroes should not have the priesthood and I was prepared to go all the rest of my life till my death and fight for it and defend it as it was. But this revelation and assurance came to me so clearly that there was no question about it." (Deseret News, Church Section, January 6, 1979, page 4)It would appear then, that when President Kimball asked the Lord if He had any objections to his changing the doctrine, he received no answer from heaven. Since God did not seem to contest the idea, Kimball felt he had the "assurance" that it must be the Lord's will. This, of course, seems like a very unusual way to obtain a "revelation."
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| − | *Note that MormonThink just quoted an "unverified source" that a "negative revelation" is the "absence of any sign." Yet, right after quoting President Kimball as stating, "But this ''revelation'' and assurance ''came to me so clearly'' that there was no question about it," MormonThink concludes "that when President Kimball asked the Lord if He had any objections to his changing the doctrine, he ''received no answer'' from heaven." This contradicts their own definition of a "negative revelation."
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| − | *Again, when President Kimball said "this revelation and assurance came to me so clearly that there was no question about it," how is this interpreted as "God did not seem to contest the idea?" According to MormonThink's own definition, if God simply did not "contest the idea," President Kimball would have received an "absence of any sign."
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| − | |claim=Church leaders act as if racism did not exist in the Church....From an Ensign article of September 2000 by GA Alexander Morrison ...."How grateful I am that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has from its beginnings stood strongly against racism in any of its malignant manifestations."
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| − | *The origin and reason for the priesthood ban are not known. What we ''do'' know is that the ban did not exist during the time of Joseph Smith.
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| − | Alexander Morrison, "No More Strangers," ''Ensign'', September 2000
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| − | The cause of much of the strife and conflict in the world, racism is an offense against God and a tool in the devil’s hands. In common with other Christians, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints regret the actions and statements of individuals who have been insensitive to the pain suffered by the victims of racism and ask God’s forgiveness for those guilty of this grievous sin. The sin of racism will be eliminated only when every human being treats all others with the dignity and respect each deserves as a beloved child of our Heavenly Father.<br><br>
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| − | How grateful I am that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has from its beginnings stood strongly against racism in any of its malignant manifestations. President Spencer W. Kimball stated the Church’s position well: “We do wish that there would be no racial prejudice. … Racial prejudice is of the devil. … There is no place for it in the gospel of Jesus Christ” (The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, ed. Edward L. Kimball [1982], 236–37). The Prophet Joseph Smith, who experienced more than his share of intolerance and prejudice, understood the importance of caring for, respecting, and helping others, even those we don’t agree with. Speaking of the need to provide temporal assistance to others, the Prophet explained that a member of the Church “is to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all, wherever he finds them” (Times and Seasons, 15 Mar. 1842, 732).
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| − | |claim=Church leaders act as if racism did not exist in the Church....From an Ensign article of September 2000 by GA Alexander Morrison ....Gordon B. Hinckley: Now I am told that racial slurs and denigrating remarks are sometimes heard among us. I remind you that no man who makes disparaging remarks concerning those of another race can consider himself a true disciple of Christ. Nor can he consider himself to be in harmony with the teachings of the Church of Christ. How can any man holding the Melchizedek Priesthood arrogantly assume that he is eligible for the priesthood whereas another who lives a righteous life but whose skin is of a different color is ineligible?
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| − | *President Hinckley is not "acting as if racism did not exist in the Church"—He is speaking as if is ''does'' exist in the Church and that it needs to be corrected! That's what the "I am told that racial slurs and denigrating remarks are sometimes heard among us" phrase is all about.
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| − | *We assume that MormonThink does not ''disagree'' with President Hinckley's words. What are they looking for then? Some sort of discussion in General Conference about how racist Brigham Young or Mark E. Petersen's remarks were?
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| − | |claim=Many religions in the 1800s believed that the curse put upon Cain in Genesis was black skin. However they did not believe that blacks were less valiant before they came to earth.
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| − | *That's because other churches don't believe in a pre-existence. Mormons simply added a new facet to the "curse" based upon their unique beliefs.
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| − | |summary=We often hear that Latter-day Saints believe and teach that blacks are descendents of Cain, and that they are cursed. In fact, on some occasions prior to 1978, blacks were denied access to temple open houses because they carried the “mark of Cain.” What critics never point out, however, is that the "curse of Cain" is a Protestant invention that was created in order to justify slavery in the 1800's. One would get the impression listening to critics that the Latter-day Saints originated the idea of the curse, and they point to the priesthood ban as evidence of such, while ignoring that fact of segregated congregations in Protestant churches of that era.
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| − | *If you accept scientific reasoning then ''all'' teachings from ''any'' source which lead to racism are complete nonsense.
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| − | |claim=There is a discussion of Cain, including a passage from some early LDS member in Spencer W. Kimball's book The Miracle of Forgiveness. Some members refer to this as the Bigfoot reference.
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| − | |claim=By listening to the Church's official spokesmen for 150 years it seems clear that the reason for the ban had to do with blacks being cursed by God because they were less valiant in the pre-existence and were therefore born under the curse of Cain, who was the first Negro. To say otherwise, and go against scores of teachings and sermons and even First Presidency messages by the highest leaders of the Church, would put into serious question whether these men are really inspired men that receive revelation from God.
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| − | *The scriptures, however, do not explicitly state that the status or family into which we were born on earth had anything to do with our "degree of valiance" in our pre-mortal life.
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| − | |summary=Critics claim that LDS scripture states that those with lighter skin color "are favored because of what they did as spirits in a pre-earth life." Critics note that some Church leaders taught that people who were born with dark skin were "neutral" in the pre-existence.
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| − | |claim=We were all clearly taught this in Church for decades before the ban. If the leaders of the church could make such a serious error, then how can we really ever put our 100% trust in what they say? How is the LDS church more true than the hundreds of protestant churches that did not teach, up through 1978, that blacks are black because they were cursed from God for being less valiant before they came to earth?
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| − | *Actually, we were taught this in Church for decades before the ban '''was lifted'''.
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| − | *The idea that we are supposed to "put our 100% trust" in what Church leaders say is incorrect, and is simply another way of saying that we should practice "blind obedience." We are supposed to listen to Church leaders' counsel and pray to receive confirmation of what we should do.
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| − | |claim=In public interviews, Gordon B. Hinckley has said that he doesn't know the reasons for the ban. He seems understandably uncomfortable answering the question. It is strange that until the ban, the reasons were plainly taught to the members but now no one wants to say what the reasons are anymore or confirm whether what was taught in the past is true or not.
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| − | *President Hinckley did ''not'' know the reason for the ban—nobody does. During the period of the ban, Church leaders came up with reasons (we would call this "bad apologetics"), such as the argument about not being valiant in the pre-existence. However, there is no revelation which gives these reasons. President Hinckley is correct: there exist no record which confirms when or why the ban was instituted.
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| − | |summary=The origin of the priesthood ban is one of the most difficult questions to answer. Its origins are not clear, and this affected both how members and leaders have seen the ban, and the steps necessary to rescind it. The Church has never provided an official reason for the ban.
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| − | |claim=One apologist told me in confidence that he personally thought that blacks were 'fence-sitters' in the pre-existence and were indeed cursed from Cain and that the prophets were correct about the doctrine and the reasons for it. They don't talk about it for the obvious public image problems that it would cause for the church in modern times. Perhaps that's true - we'll never really know. But this is further evidence that the church needs to make a more official statement on the reasons for the ban.
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| − | *What some unnamed "apologist" is alleged to have said is not "further evidence" of anything, other than to confirm that some people used to believe in the "neutral in the pre-existence" idea as an explanation for the ban. The modern Church does not accept or believe that this explanation is valid.
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| − | |claim=If Brigham Young instituted the priesthood ban on blacks without being directed to from God, then this is just too serious to ignore. And if all the prophets since Brigham Young until Spencer W. Kimball let it go unchallenged, then how can anyone say these men are truly prophets of God? It's ironic that all the other Christian churches, that do not claim to have prophets, allowed blacks the same rights as whites long before the prophet-led LDS church did. If the LDS prophets made this big of an error then why should they be believed on other matters?
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| − | *While the priesthood ban was in place, Mormon congregations were not segregated. One cannot say the same for "all other Christian churches."
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| − | *We believe all of God's children are equal. We do not believe God to be racist. Not only that, but he commands us not to be racist. We do not believe Elder Peterson to have been speaking for God when he said what he did in the 1950s. We think he was ignorant, as many people were in the 1950s. Everyone will have equal chance at getting into heaven - black and white, Jew and Gentile, gay and straight, male and female. Many racist things have been said in the past. We don't accept it as doctrine. Neither does the Church.
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| − | |summary=Elder Mark E. Peterson said, " If that Negro is faithful all his days, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get a celestial resurrection. He will get a place in the celestial glory."
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| − | |claim=Perhaps the Church should at least clarify the reasons for the ban. Many people in the Church believe that blacks are cursed from God as the earlier leaders taught. This puts an awful burden on black members. Many feel that they have to defend themselves against white brothers who still believe this. Many white LDS will continue to believe that the reasons for the ban, were as they were taught growing up, before the ban was lifted UNLESS the Church officially states otherwise. That is unfair to our black brothers.
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| − | *The Church does not "clarify the reasons for the ban" because ''they do not know what the reason was.''
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| − | *The Church has repudiated all previous explanations for the ban. This was done at the time of the 1978 revelation allowing all worthy male Church members to hold the priesthood.
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| − | *There is no revelation associated with the ban. There is no clear historical marker indicating when the ban was implemented. All that we do know is that it was not in place during Joseph Smith's time, and that it was in place by the time the Saints were in Utah.
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| − | The Church’s position is clear—we believe all people are God’s children and are equal in His eyes and in the Church. We do not tolerate racism in any form.
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| − | For a time in the Church there was a restriction on the priesthood for male members of African descent. '''It is not known precisely why, how, or when this restriction began in the Church but what is clear is that it ended decades ago.''' Some have attempted to explain the reason for this restriction but these attempts should be viewed as speculation and opinion, not doctrine. The Church is not bound by speculation or opinions given with limited understanding.
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| − | We condemn racism, including any and all past racism by individuals both inside and outside the Church.
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| − | <br>—[http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/racial-remarks-in-washington-post-article "Church Statement Regarding 'Washington Post' Article on Race and the Church,"] LDS Newsroom, Feb. 29, 2012. (emphasis added)
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| − | Regarding Bruce R. McConkie's statement "Forget everything I've said in the past" does not absolve the LDS church of its past leaders' racist teachings and policies.
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| − | McConkie's statements are a good first step but the Church needs to officially put out a similar, yet stronger statement. McConkie can only apologize for his own statements and the current prophet would have to explain the Church's practices for the first 150 years of its existence.
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| − | *You can't have it both ways. The Church repudiated past explanations for the priesthood ban. The critics wish to dredge it back up.
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| − | *Note that it is not black members of the Church asking for an apology—The only people demanding an apology are ex-Mormons, and the only reason that ''they'' want an apology for a ban which ended over 30 years ago is to embarrass the Church.
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| − | |claim=The LDS Church continually says it was not racist but how else can you explain the doctrine taught for 150 years? One of the following must be racist - Was it Joseph Smith, Brigham Young or God? If it was Joseph Smith or Brigham Young then these men are not really receiving true revelation from God and therefore are not prophets and the modern LDS church cannot be God's one, true church. That leaves the obvious choice to say it was all God's idea. It's easy to blame things on God. People do that all the time. No one can prove or disprove it.
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| − | *The critics are looking for someone to blame, and this blame is intended to demonstrate that the Church cannot be "God's one, true church."
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| − | |summary=Why did past prophets make racist statements? God had already revealed to Peter that he should not call anything "common" that God had cleansed (Acts 10:9-16), yet some modern-day prophets thought that blacks were inferior to whites; why is that?
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| − | *Prophets have ''always'' reflected the times in which they lived—how could they not?
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| − | *{{antispeak|speaking for God}} The critics have come up with their own definition of what a prophet ought to be: A "forward thinker."
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| − | **1961—MLK, the Freedom Riders, and congregation of 1,500 at Rev. Ralph Abernathy’s First Baptist Church in Montgomery are besieged by mob of segregationists; Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy sends federal marshals to protect them.
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| − | **1962—September 9 – Two black churches used by SNCC for voter registration meetings are burned in Sasser, Georgia.
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| − | **1963—September 15 – 16th Street Baptist Church bombing in Birmingham kills four young girls. That same day, in response to the killings, James Bevel and Diane Nash begin the Alabama Project, which will later grow into the Selma Voting Rights Movement.
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| − | **1968—April 4 – Dr. Martin Luther King is shot and killed in Memphis, Tennessee by James Earl Ray.
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| − | **1971—The Supreme Court, in Swann v. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Board of Education, upholds desegregation busing of students to achieve integration.
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| − | **1972—The infamous Tuskegee syphilis experiment ends. Begun in 1932, the U.S. Public Health Service's 40-year experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis has been described as an experiment that "used human beings as laboratory animals in a long and inefficient study of how long it takes syphilis to kill someone."
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| − | **1975—April 30 – In the pilot episode of Starsky and Hutch, Richard Ward plays an African-American boss of white Americans for the first time on TV.
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| − | **1978—June 28 – Regents of the University of California v. Bakke bars racial quota systems in college admissions but affirms the constitutionality of affirmative action programs giving equal access to minorities.
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| − | *Racial attitudes in the 1960's were far different than they are in the 21st Century. If the critics believe that racist issues were eliminated by the 1960s, then they are quite wrong.
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