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MormonThink's practice of copying blocks of text from a variety of websites produces a very confusing citation scheme. In many cases, citation links simply lead back to the main page of an anti-Mormon website without providing a path to the actual source document. This page lists the actual cited sources and provides links to them where possible. Since MormonThink does not provide a consistent citation list, we identify quotes using the first few words. | MormonThink's practice of copying blocks of text from a variety of websites produces a very confusing citation scheme. In many cases, citation links simply lead back to the main page of an anti-Mormon website without providing a path to the actual source document. This page lists the actual cited sources and provides links to them where possible. Since MormonThink does not provide a consistent citation list, we identify quotes using the first few words. | ||
− | == | + | ==Contemporary sources== |
*{{SourceQuotePhrase|In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day}} | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day}} | ||
**''Emma Smith Bidamon Interview with Joseph Smith III'', February 1879, cited in Vogel, ''Early Mormon Documents'', Vol. 1. p. 541. | **''Emma Smith Bidamon Interview with Joseph Smith III'', February 1879, cited in Vogel, ''Early Mormon Documents'', Vol. 1. p. 541. | ||
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*{{SourceQuotePhrase|Q: 'Was Joseph Smith not a money digger?'}} | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|Q: 'Was Joseph Smith not a money digger?'}} | ||
**''Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith'', p.120 | **''Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith'', p.120 | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|accomplish some business of importance, which could not very well be done without the aid of the stone}} | ||
+ | **Willard Chase, ca. 11 De4c. 1833, in E. D. Howe, Mormonism Unvailed, 241 (Also found in Dan Vogel, Early Mormon Documents 2:66 | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|For a time, the Lord took the Urim and Thummim and the plates from Joseph}} | ||
+ | **2008 Sunday School manual on Joseph Smith (Chapter 5 on repentance - first page), Quoted by Lucy Mack Smith, "The History of Lucy Smith, Mother of the Prophet," 1844-45 manuscript, book 7, p. 11, Church Archives. | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|Mr. Harris says: "Joseph Smith, jr., found at Palmyra, N. Y., on the 22d day of September}} | ||
+ | **Martin Harris, Tiffany's Monthly | ||
+ | **{{MisdirectedLink|cite=Tiffany's Monthly|website=Utah Lighthouse Ministry|type=anti-Mormon countercult}} | ||
+ | **FAIR Wiki [http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith_and_seer_stones#How_were_the_stone.28s.29_involved_in_the_translation_of_the_Book_of_Mormon.3F How were the stone(s) involved in the translation of the Book of Mormon?] | ||
+ | **The complete text of the ''Tiffany's Monthly'' interview may be read on the neutral site Wikisource here: [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tiffany%27s_Monthly/Volume_5/Number_4/Mormonism--No._II (August 1859) Mormonism—No. II, Tiffany's Monthly, 5(4), Joel Tiffany, ed., pp. 163–170.] | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|We were waiting on Martin Harris who was doing his best to sell a part of his farm}} | ||
+ | **David Whitmer, An Address to All Believers in Christ, p.30 - p.31; B. H. Roberts quotes this entire passage in Comprehensive History of the Church, Vol. 1 pp. 162-66 | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|he asked Joseph [Smith, Jr.] whether he could not ascertain what his mission was }} | ||
+ | **Orson Pratt, 4 November 1830 | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|To our great grief, however, we soon found that Satan had been lying in wait to deceive}} | ||
+ | **History of the Church, by Joseph Smith, vol. 1, pp.109-10 | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|those things which he hath written from that stone are not of me}} | ||
+ | **Doctrine and Covenants 28:11 | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|Before leaving I Consecrated upon the Altar the seers Stone }} | ||
+ | **Wilford Woodruff's journal, 18 May, 1888 | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|showed me the Seerers Stone that the Prophet Joseph Smith had}} | ||
+ | **Frederick Kesler diary | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|The statement has been made that the Urim and Thummim was on the altar in the Manti Temple}} | ||
+ | **Doctrines of Salvation,Vol. 3, p. 225 | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|The stone was not chocolate brown but rather the color of brown sugar}} | ||
+ | **Mary Brown Firmage interview with Richard S. Van Wagoner, 11 Aug 1986. Van Wagoner papers, Marriott Library | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|Mormon elders and women [at Kirtland] often searched the bed of the river for stones }} | ||
+ | **Newell Whitney's brother | ||
+ | **{{MissingCitation}} | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|found a brown colored stone about 2 1/2 inches wide and 6 inches long }} | ||
+ | **Descendants of Elias Pulsipher | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|Joseph said there is a [seer] Stone for every person on Earth}} | ||
+ | **Brigham Young, 1855 | ||
+ | **{{MissingCitation}} | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|The president of the priests has a right to the Urim and Thummim}} | ||
+ | **History of the Church 7:285 | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|Brigham Young in saying that He did not profess to be a prophet seer & Revelator as Joseph Smith was}} | ||
+ | **{{MissingCitation}} | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|Do not seek for those who have peepstones, for soothsayers, and for those who profess to be able to counteract the influence of witchcraft}} | ||
+ | **{{JDfairwiki|author=George Q. Cannon|vol=26|disc=7|start=65|end=66}} | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|He has but little encouragement to offer for the use of seer stones}} | ||
+ | **Wilford Woodruff | ||
+ | **{{criticallink|http://www.mormonstories.org/top10toughissues/peepstones.html}} | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|peep-stones, in the hands of silly and irresponsible people}} | ||
+ | **Brigham Young's daughter Susa Young Gates | ||
+ | **{{criticallink|http://www.mormonstories.org/top10toughissues/peepstones.html}} | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|There are men among us, holding the Holy Priesthood, who in events of their lives would rather stare into a bit of flint-glass}} | ||
+ | **John A. Widtsoe | ||
+ | **{{criticallink|http://www.mormonstories.org/top10toughissues/peepstones.html}} | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|Then the white stone mentioned in Revelation }} | ||
+ | **D&C 130: 10-11 | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|It hardly seems reasonable to suppose that the prophet would substitute something evidently inferior [to the U&T] under these circumstances}} | ||
+ | **Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation vol.3 pg 225-226 | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|I was at the house of his father in Manchester, two miles south of Palmyra village,}} | ||
+ | **{{criticallink|http://www.xmission.com/~research/about/docum4.htm}} | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|Aside from the inaccurate translation pictures in the Ensign, the church continues to show the Joseph Smith Movie}} | ||
+ | **{{MisdirectedLink|cite=Joseph Smith Movied|website=Mormon Curtain|type=ex-Mormon message board}} | ||
− | == | + | ==Other sources== |
*{{SourceQuotePhrase|The article corroborates the 'stone in the hat' version of the translation}} | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|The article corroborates the 'stone in the hat' version of the translation}} | ||
**{{criticallink|http://sidneyrigdon.com/Classics1.htm}} | **{{criticallink|http://sidneyrigdon.com/Classics1.htm}} | ||
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**Stephen Ricks | **Stephen Ricks | ||
**{{MissingCitation}} | **{{MissingCitation}} | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|Thus, "it" (Joseph's gift) was restored to him, but there is no indication that the Nephite interpreters (Urim and Thummim) were also returned}} | ||
+ | **FAIR Wiki, http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith_and_seer_stones | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|angel purportedly took back the plates and Urim and Thummim after losing the lost 116 pages}} | ||
+ | **{{criticallink|http://www.mormonmesoamerica.com/metallurgy.htm}} | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|Hiel Lewis (Emma's cousin) stated that Joseph used the peep stone}} | ||
+ | **Hiel Lewis, "Review of Mormonism: Rejoinder to Elder Cadwell." Amboy Journal, June 4, 1879, Quoted in Quinn, 172. | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret, was the same as when he looked for money-diggers}} | ||
+ | **Isaac Hale, Howe, 264 | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|Joe Smith never handled one shovel of earth in those diggings [treasure hunts].}} | ||
+ | **Alva Hale, Quoted in Joseph Lewis, "Review of Mormonism," Amboy Journal, June 11, 1879, cited in David Persuitte, Joseph Smith and the Origins of the Book of Mormon (Jefferson, NC: McFarland & Co., 2000), 38 | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|In the trial transcript of the 1826 Trial in Bainbridge, NY it says: Prisoner examined: says... That he had a certain stone }} | ||
+ | **{{criticallink|http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/changech5a.htm#The%20Witnesses}} | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|In the trial transcript of 1826 Trial in Bainbridge: Jonathan Thompson "says that prisoner [Joseph Smith] was requested to look for a chest of money}} | ||
+ | **{{criticallink|http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/changech5a.htm#The%20Witnesses}} | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|church president Smith continued to discover new seer stones }} | ||
+ | **Early Mormonism and the Magic World View, p. 245 - 246 cited in Salt Lake City Messenger Issue No. 105 | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|The order of translation in turn bears on the date of section 10}} | ||
+ | **Richard Bushman | ||
+ | **{{MissingCitation}} | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|The details of this miraculous method of translation are still not fully known. Yet }} | ||
+ | **Russell M. Nelson, Russell M. Nelson, [http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/1993.htm/ensign%20july%201993.htm/a%20treasured%20testament.htm "A Treasured Testament,"] Ensign, July 1993, 61 | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|Once Martin found a rock closely resembling the seerstone }} | ||
+ | **Kenneth Godfrey, "A New Prophet and a New Scripture," Ensign, Jan. 1988 | ||
+ | *{{SourceQuotePhrase|In imitation of the true order of heaven where seers receive revelation from God}} | ||
+ | **Bruce R. McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'' | ||
==Critical works== | ==Critical works== | ||
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==Positive works== | ==Positive works== | ||
*''Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith'', p. 120 | *''Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith'', p. 120 | ||
+ | *Comprehensive History of the Church, Vol. 1, page 129 | ||
− | == | + | ==Other works== |
*Dialogue, Volume 15, No 2 summer 1982, pg 48-68 | *Dialogue, Volume 15, No 2 summer 1982, pg 48-68 | ||
− | + | *I.A.5, LUCY SMITH HISTORY, 1845, 1853:107 | |
==Critical links== | ==Critical links== | ||
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*{{criticallink|http://www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/ftruth/ft1.doc}} (anti-Mormon countercult) | *{{criticallink|http://www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/ftruth/ft1.doc}} (anti-Mormon countercult) | ||
*{{criticallink|http://www.irr.org/mit/divination.html}} (anti-Mormon countercult) | *{{criticallink|http://www.irr.org/mit/divination.html}} (anti-Mormon countercult) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.mormonmesoamerica.com/metallurgy.htm}} (site which claims offense at attempts to place the Book of Mormon in Mesoamerica) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.utlm.org/booklist/titles/earlymormonismmagicworldview_xb044.htm}} (anti-Mormon countercult) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no105.htm}} (anti-Mormon countercult) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.exmormon.org/exmoblogs.html}} (Recovery from Mormonism ex-Mormon message board) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.mormonstories.org/top10toughissues/peepstones.html}} (semi ex-Mormon) | ||
+ | *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Mormon (Wikipedia) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.xmission.com/~research/about/docum4.htm}} (secular criticism) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_josephsmithworship.html#pub_-552501541}} (ex-Mormon) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpukBl8OgsY}} (YouTube video made by "friends of MormonThink") | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.irr.org/mit/divination.html}} (anti-Mormon countercult) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.lds-mormon.com/transltn.shtml}} (secular criticism) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.mrm.org/multimedia/text/seer-stone.html}} (anti-Mormon countercult) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.exmormon.org/exmoblogs.html}} (ex-Mormon) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.lds-mormon.com/jsmith.shtml}} (secular criticism) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/changech4.htm}} (anti-Mormon countercult) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no95.htm}} (anti-Mormon countercult) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no105.htm}} (anti-Mormon countercult) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.xmission.com/~research/about/docum4.htm}} (secular criticism) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.rmwhome.com/Mormons/Documents/translation.htm}} (ex-Mormon) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.mrm.org/topics/book-mormon/seer-stone-and-hat-translating-book-mormon}} (anti-Mormon countercult) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.mrm.org/topics/book-mormon/how-heavy-were-those-gold-plates}} (anti-Mormon countercult) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon430.htm}} (ex-Mormon) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/ftruth/ft1.doc}} (anti-Mormon countercult) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://equalitysblog.typepad.com/equality_time/2007/10/recommended-sit.html#more}} (secular criticism) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.janishutchinson.com/joeoccult.html}} (ex-Mormon) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sECvoqzi4A}} (YouTube made by anti-Mormon countercult) | ||
+ | *{{criticallink|http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/episodes/s07e12-all-about-mormons}} (South Park video "All About the Mormons") | ||
− | == | + | ==Non-critical links== |
*[http://www.fairlds.org/fair-conferences/2002-fair-conference/2002-the-1826-trial-of-joseph-smith "The 1826 Trial of Joseph Smith"] by Russell Anderson, 2002 FAIR Conference. (pro-Mormon apologetic) | *[http://www.fairlds.org/fair-conferences/2002-fair-conference/2002-the-1826-trial-of-joseph-smith "The 1826 Trial of Joseph Smith"] by Russell Anderson, 2002 FAIR Conference. (pro-Mormon apologetic) | ||
+ | *http://josephantley.com/2009/10/27/the-seer-stones-cradle-western-new-york/ | ||
+ | *http://www.ldsgospeldoctrine.net/kn/ (Collection of private Gospel Doctrine materials) | ||
+ | *http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/1993.htm/ensign%20july%201993.htm/a%20treasured%20testament.htm (Ensign) | ||
+ | *http://www.askgramps.org/in-what-way-did-the-prophet-joseph-smith-translate-the-book/ | ||
+ | *http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/moro/10.4?lang=eng#4 (Moroni's promise in the Book of Mormon) | ||
+ | *http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/04/seer-stone-in-hat-book-of-mormon.html (A believer's blog) | ||
+ | *http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon_translation_method (FAIR Wiki page on Book of Mormon translation methods) | ||
+ | *http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Seer_stones#Has_the_Church_tried_to_hide_Joseph.27s_use_of_a_seer_stone.3F (FAIR Wiki) | ||
+ | *http://www.pbs.org/mormons/view/ (PBS) | ||
+ | *http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/1993.htm/ensign%20july%201993.htm/a%20treasured%20testament.htm | ||
+ | *http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?table=jbms&id=167 | ||
+ | *http://www.fairlds.org/Mormonism_201/m20108.html | ||
+ | *http://www.askgramps.org/in-what-way-did-the-prophet-joseph-smith-translate-the-book/ | ||
+ | *http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith_and_seer_stones | ||
+ | *http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon_translation_method | ||
+ | *http://en.fairmormon.org/Church_art_and_historical_accuracy | ||
+ | *http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2002_1826_Trial_of_Joseph_Smith.html | ||
+ | *Daniel Peterson - PBS video | ||
+ | *1977 Ensign, By the Gift and Power of God | ||
+ | *1974 Friend, A Peaceful Heart | ||
+ | *www.ldsgospeldoctrine.net | ||
+ | *Dialogue, Volume 15, No 2 summer 1982, pg 48-68 | ||
==Broken links== | ==Broken links== | ||
*{{criticallink|http://www.ils.unc.edu/~unsworth/mormon/jsconviction.html}} | *{{criticallink|http://www.ils.unc.edu/~unsworth/mormon/jsconviction.html}} | ||
+ | *http://www.realmormonhistory.com/newpage13.htm - Joseph%20Smith%20claimed%20that%20when%2 | ||
+ | *http://www.realmormonhistory.com/newpage13.htm - Wilford%20Woodruff,%20as%20new%20preside |
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