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#REDIRECT [[Question: Does the Book of Mormon teach that Christ and the Father are a single individual expressing himself in different modes?]]
 
 
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Critics claims that the Book of Mormon teaches [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabellianism Sabellianism], also called ''modalism'', i.e., the belief that Christ and the Father are a single individual expressing himself in different ''modes''.{{ref|bachelor.1}}
 
 
 
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* It is a stretch to interpret the scriptures above in favor of Sabellianism. Therefore, verses in the Book of Mormon that ''might'' imply Sabellianism should likely be interpreted in a different sense, if this is plausible in the text.  This is not difficult.
 
 
 
* The Book of Mormon teaches that the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are three persons, and is not consistent with either modalism/Sabellianism or standard Nicene trinitarianism.
 
 
 
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{{SeeAlso|Mormonism_and_the_nature_of_God/Trinity/Early_beliefs|l1=Early LDS beliefs about God|Mormonism_and_the_nature_of_God/Polytheism|l2=Is Mormonism polytheist?}}
 
===How are the Father and the Son one?===
 
 
 
* "And now Father, I pray unto thee for them, and also for all those who shall believe on their words, that they may believe in me, that I may be in them as thou, Father, art in me, that we may be one."({{S|3|Nephi|19|23}})
 
 
 
===3 Nephi clearly teaches that Jesus Christ and the Father are two persons:===
 
 
 
* "Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name." ({{s|3|Nephi|9|15}})
 
 
* Ironically, [[Mormonism_and_the_nature_of_God/Trinity/Nicene_creed|Nicene trinitarians]] use a similar scripture in the Bible ({{b||John|1|1}}), in favor of the doctrine of the [[Mormonism and the nature of God/Trinity|Nicene trinity]] (God in three persons). Thus, such language cannot be used as clear evidence of modalism.
 
 
 
===Other examples in scripture:===
 
 
 
* "And for this cause ye shall have fulness of joy; and ye shall sit down in the kingdom of my Father; yea, your joy shall be full, even as the Father hath given me fulness of joy; and ye shall be even as I am, and I am even as the Father; and the Father and I are one." ({{s|3|Nephi|28|10}})
 
 
 
===Jesus and the Spirit are two separate persons:===
 
 
 
* "But he [Jesus] truly gave unto them bread to eat, and also wine to drink. And he said unto them: He that eateth this bread eateth of my body to his soul; and he that drinketh of this wine drinketh of my blood to his soul; and his soul shall never hunger nor thirst, but shall be filled. But he truly gave unto them bread to eat, and also wine to drink. And he said unto them: He that eateth this bread eateth of my body to his soul; and he that drinketh of this wine drinketh of my blood to his soul; and his soul shall never hunger nor thirst, but shall be filled.Now, when the multitude had all eaten and drunk, behold, they were filled with the Spirit; and they did cry out with one voice, and gave glory to Jesus, whom they both saw and heard." ({{s|3|Nephi|20|7-9}})
 
 
* This scripture demonstrates that {{s||Mormon|7|7}} and {{s|2|Nephi|31|21}} are not saying that Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are the same person.
 
 
 
===Jesus Christ sits on the right hand of the Father:===
 
 
 
* "And may the grace of God the Father, whose throne is high in the heavens, and our Lord Jesus Christ, who sitteth on the right hand of his power, until all things shall become subject unto him, be, and abide with you forever. Amen."({{s||Moroni|9|26}}) 
 
 
 
===Christ the Eternal Father is not the same as God the Father:===
 
 
 
* Christ is sometimes denominated "the Father because he was conceived by the power of God" ({{s||Mosiah|5|3}})
 
 
 
===Christ is the Father of our salvation:===
 
 
 
* "And now, because of the covenant which ye have made ye shall be called the children of Christ, his sons, and his daughters; for behold, this day he hath spiritually begotten you; for ye say that your hearts are changed through faith on his name; therefore, ye are born of him and have become his sons and his daughters. "({{s||Mosiah|5|7}})
 
 
===Christ is often discussed as a clearly distinct individual from the Father===
 
 
 
* The Nephites who witnesses the risen Christ were first spoken to by God: "6 And behold, the third time they did understand the voice which they heard; and it said unto them: 7 Behold my Beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased, in whom I have glorified my name—hear ye him." ({{s|3|Nephi|11|6-7}})  This was followed by Jesus' appearance, where he makes his own role and the Father's quite distinct: "I am Jesus Christ, whom the prophets testified shall come into the world. 11 And behold, I am the light and the life of the world; and I have drunk out of that bitter cup which the Father hath given me, and have glorified the Father in taking upon me the sins of the world, in the which I have suffered the will of the Father in all things from the beginning" ({{s|3|Nephi|11|10-11}}).
 
 
 
* Jesus later also demonstrated their separate nature:
 
 
 
** "...this is my doctrine, and it is the doctrine which the Father hath given unto me; and I bear record of the Father, and the Father beareth record of me, and the Holy Ghost beareth record of the Father and me; and I bear record that the Father commandeth all men, everywhere, to repent and believe in me" ({{s|3|Nephi|11|32}}).
 
** "...not at any time hath the Father given me commandment that I should tell it unto your brethren at Jerusalem" ({{s|3|Nephi|15|14}}).
 
** "Neither at any time hath the Father given me commandment that I should tell unto them concerning the other tribes of the house of Israel, whom the Father hath led away out of the land.  16 This much did the Father command me, that I should tell unto them...." ({{s|3|Nephi|15|15-16}}).
 
** "I have received a commandment of the Father that I shall go unto them, and that they shall hear my voice, and shall be numbered among my sheep, that there may be one fold and one shepherd; therefore I go to show myself unto them" ({{s|3|Nephi|16|3}}).
 
** "...thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you...." ({{s|3|Nephi|16|10}}).
 
** "...now I go unto the Father, and also to show myself unto the lost tribes of Israel, for they are not lost unto the Father, for he knoweth whither he hath taken them" ({{s|3|Nephi|17|4}}).
 
** "... I give unto you another commandment, and then I must go unto my Father that I may fulfil other commandments which he hath given me" ({{s|3|Nephi|18|27}}).
 
** "And now I go unto the Father, because it is expedient that I should go unto the Father for your sakes" ({{s|3|Nephi|18|35}}).
 
 
 
Jesus' constant distinction between himself and the Father in both space (Jesus must leave the Nephites and go to the Father) and in giving instructions/commands (Jesus is commanded or not commanded by the Father repeatedly, and he obeys) are inconsistent with either Sabellianism ''or'' standard Nicene trinitarianism.  Jesus and the Father are here clearly two distinct beings, though united in will and intent through divine love and obedience of the Son to the Father's will.
 
 
 
===Other Book of Mormon examples===
 
 
 
* "I am mindful of you always in my prayers, continually praying unto God the Father in the name of his Holy Child, Jesus, that he, through his infinite goodness and grace, will keep you through the endurance of faith on his name to the end." ({{s||Moroni|8|3}})
 
 
 
* "Behold, they believed in Christ and worshiped the Father in his name, and also we worship the Father in his name. And for this intent we keep the law of Moses, it pointing our souls to him; and for this cause it is sanctified unto us for righteousness, even as it was accounted unto Abraham in the wilderness to be obedient unto the commands of God in offering up his son Isaac, which is a similitude of God and his Only Begotten Son." ({{s||Jacob|4|5}})
 
 
 
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#{{note|bachelor.1}} {{CriticalWork:Bachelor:Mormonism Exposed|pages=24}}
 
 
 
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