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| + | #REDIRECT [[Question: How can we tell if a modern revelation comes from God or Satan?]] |
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| − | =={{Criticism label}}==
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| − | {{Epigraph|"So just how do we know what revelations are from God, from the devil or from the heart of man if even the Prophet Joseph Smith couldn't tell?"<br>''MormonThink}}
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| − | *[http://lds.org/languages/additionalmanuals/preachgospel/PreachMyGospel___11_04_RecognizeTheSpirit__36617_eng_011.pdf''How Do I Recognize and Understand the Spirit?''] {{ref|Preach}}
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| − | Critics used this source for this claim:
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| − | From David Whitmer, An Address to All Believers in Christ, p.30 - p.31 "[ With different editions of this pamphlet, it will be on slightly different pages]"
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| − | " We were waiting on Martin Harris who was doing his best to sell a part of his farm, in order to raise the necessary funds. After a time Hyrum Smith and others began to get impatient, thinking that Martin Harris was too slow and under transgression for not selling his land at once, even if at a great sacrifice. Brother Hyrum thought they should not wait any longer on Martin Harris, and that the money should be raised in some other way. Brother Hyrum was vexed with Brother Martin, and thought they should get the money by some means outside of him, and not let him have anything to do with the publication of the Book, or receiving any of the profits thereof if any profits should accrue. He was wrong in thus judging Bro. Martin, because he was doing all he could toward selling his land. Brother Hyrum said it had been suggested to him that some of the brethren might go to Toronto, Canada , and sell the copy-right of the Book of Mormon for considerable money: and he persuaded Joseph to inquire of the Lord about it. Joseph concluded to do so. He had not yet given up the stone. Joseph looked into the hat in which he placed the stone, and received a revelation that some of the brethren should go to Toronto, Canada , and that they would sell the copy-right of the Book of Mormon. Hiram Page and Oliver Cowdery went to Toronto on this mission, but they failed entirely to sell the copy-right, returning without any money. Joseph was at my father's house when they returned. I was there also, and am an eye witness to these facts. Jacob Whitmer and John Whitmer were also present when Hiram Page and Oliver Cowdery returned from Canada . Well, we were all in great trouble; and we asked Joseph how it was that he had received a revelation from the Lord for some brethren to go to Toronto and sell the copy-right, and the brethren had utterly failed in their undertaking. Joseph did not know how it was, so he enquired of the Lord about it, and behold '''the following revelation came through the stone: "Some revelations are of God: some revelations are of man: and some revelations are of the devil." So we see that the revelation to go to Toronto and sell the copy-right was not of God, but was of the devil or of the heart of man'''. When a man enquires of the Lord concerning a matter, '''if he is deceived by his own carnal desires, and is in error''', he will receive an answer according to his erring heart, but it will not be a revelation from the Lord. "
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| − | In discussing the "Canadian Copyright Caper" B. H. Roberts quotes this entire passage in Comprehensive History of the Church Vol. 1 pp. 162-66
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| − | ===This Logic===
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| − | With the logic of this question, then we can never know anything. We cannot know if the universe is an illusion, or if reality is computer program, or if we are living in a dream. We just take, that good comes from God, and evil comes from the devil.
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| − | ===Consider what Joseph Smith told Brigham Young===
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| − | “''Tell the brethren to be humble and faithful and be sure to keep the Spirit of the
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| − | Lord, that it will lead them aright. Be careful and not turn away the still, small
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| − | voice; it will teach them what to do and where to go; it will yield the fruits of
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| − | the kingdom. Tell the brethren to keep their heart open to conviction, so that
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| − | when the Holy Ghost comes to them their hearts will be ready to receive it.
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| − | They can tell the Spirit of the Lord from all other spirits—it will whisper peace
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| − | and joy to their souls; it will take malice, hatred, strife and all evil from their
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| − | hearts, and their whole desire will be to do good''” (quoted in Juvenile
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| − | Instructor, 19 July 1873, 114)
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| − | === When is it the Spirit of GOD? ===
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| − | Moroni 7:13:
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| − | But behold, that which is of God inviteth and enticeth to do good continually; wherefore, every thing which inviteth and enticeth to do good, and to love God, and to serve him, is inspired of God.
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| − | Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley said:
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| − | “''That’s the test,
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| − | when all is said and done. Does it persuade one to do good, to rise, to stand tall, to do
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| − | the right thing, to be kind, to be generous? Then it is of the Spirit of God''. . . .
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| − | “''If it invites to do good, it is of God. If it inviteth to do evil, it is of the devil. . . . And if
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| − | you are doing the right thing and if you are living the right way, you will know in your
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| − | heart what the Spirit is saying to you.
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| − | “You recognize the promptings of the Spirit by the fruits of the Spirit—that which
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| − | enlighteneth, that which buildeth up, that which is positive and affirmative and uplifting
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| − | and leads us to better thoughts and better words and better deeds is of the Spirit of God''”
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| − | (Teachings of Gordon B. Hinckley, 260–61)
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| − | === Elder Dallin H. Oaks stated: ===
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| − | “''[A person may have] a strong desire to be led by the Spirit of the Lord but . . . unwisely extends that desire to the point of wanting to be led in all things. A desire to be led by the Lord is a strength, but it needs to be accompanied by an understanding that our Heavenly Father leaves many decisions for our personal choices. Personal decision making is one of the sources of the growth we are meant to experience in mortality. Persons who try to shift all decision making to the Lord and plead for revelation in every choice will soon find circumstances in which they pray for guidance and don't receive it. For example, this is likely to occur in those numerous circumstances in which the choices are trivial or either choice is acceptable.
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| − | “We should study things out in our minds, using the reasoning powers our Creator
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| − | has placed within us. Then we should pray for guidance and act upon it if we
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| − | receive it. If we do not receive guidance, we should act upon our best judgment.
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| − | Persons who persist in seeking revelatory guidance on subjects on which the Lord
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| − | has not chosen to direct us may concoct an answer out of their own fantasy or
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| − | bias, or they may even receive an answer through the medium of '''false revelation'''''”
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| − | (“Our Strengths Can Become Our Downfall,” Ensign, Oct. 1994, 13–14)
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| − | * This statement can apply to everyone, even to General Authorities as a voice of warning
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| − | ===President Howard W. Hunter said===
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| − | “''Let me offer a word of caution. . . . I
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| − | think if we are not careful . . . , we may begin to try to counterfeit the true influence of the
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| − | Spirit of the Lord by unworthy and manipulative
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| − | means. I get concerned when it appears that
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| − | strong emotion or free-flowing tears are equated
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| − | with the presence of the Spirit. Certainly the Spirit
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| − | of the Lord can bring strong emotional feelings,
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| − | including tears, but that outward manifestation
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| − | ought not to be confused with the presence of the
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| − | Spirit itself''” (The Teachings of Howard W. Hunter,
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| − | =={{Conclusion label}}==
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| − | As part of being a member of the church, its a process to learn to follow the promptings of the holy ghost, and no member is perfect
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| − | =={{Endnotes label}}==
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| − | #{{note|Preach}} Preach My Gospel: A Guide to Missionary Service (2004), pg.89 - pg. 102
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| − | ==={{FAIR web site label}}===
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| − | * Blake T. Ostler, "Spiritual Experiences as the Basis for Belief and Commitment," (2007 FAIR Conference Presentation). {{fairlink|url=http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2007_Spiritual_Experiences.html}}
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| − | *Wendy Ulrich, "'Believest thou...?': Faith, Cognitive Dissonance, and the Psychology of Religious Experience," {{fairlink|url=http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/conf/2005UlrW.html}}
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| − | *{{FR-17-2-11}}
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| − | * [http://lds.org/languages/additionalmanuals/preachgospel/PreachMyGospel___11_04_RecognizeTheSpirit__36617_eng_011.pdf''How Do I Recognize and Understand the Spirit?'']
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| − | ==={{Printed material label}}===
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| − | * PREACH MY GOSPEL, A GUIDE TO MISSIONARY SERVICE ISBN 9780402366171
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