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− | *Joseph never condemned "Christian belief" as an abomination. The authors have twisted words here. The ''creeds'' were said to be abominations. | + | *Joseph never condemned "Christian belief" as an abomination. The authors have twisted words here. The ''creeds''—post-biblical additions which required non-scriptural concepts—were said to be abominations. |
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*Hoyt W. Brewster, Jr., ''Sure Foundation'', Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 211. | *Hoyt W. Brewster, Jr., ''Sure Foundation'', Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 211. | ||
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+ | * Widtsoe's quote actually undercuts the critics' claim. It should be clear that referring to something or someone in this context as "an abomomination" or "corrupt" simply means, "not entirely true" or "imperfect." | ||
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*Hoyt W. Brewster, Jr., ''Sure Foundation'', Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 211. | *Hoyt W. Brewster, Jr., ''Sure Foundation'', Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 211. | ||
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*It is claimed that "three additional earlier accounts" of the First Vision were "suppressed by Mormon authorities because they contradicted the official story." | *It is claimed that "three additional earlier accounts" of the First Vision were "suppressed by Mormon authorities because they contradicted the official story." | ||
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− | *The authors are simply repeating the Tanner's argument. | + | *{{SecondaryFact}}: The authors are simply repeating the Tanner's argument. |
+ | *{{Absurd}}: Various First Vision accounts had been made public in LDS publications before the Tanners' book was published, much less the book here under review: | ||
+ | **{{BYUS1|author=Dean C. Jessee|article=The Early Accounts of Joseph Smith's First Vision (1831–1839)|vol=9|num=3|date=Spring 1969|start=275–296}} {{link|url=http://byustudies.byu.edu/Products/MoreInfoPage/MoreInfo.aspx?Type=7&ProdID=662}} | ||
+ | * Deseret Book went on to publish all of Joseph's holographic writings, including the 1832 First Vision account: | ||
+ | ** {{PWJSOrig1| start=1–}} | ||
+ | * Publishing in ''BYU Studies'' and Deseret Book can hardly be "suppressing" documents. | ||
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*{{CriticalWork:Tanner:Changing World|pages=162}} | *{{CriticalWork:Tanner:Changing World|pages=162}} | ||
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*The 1832 account gives a different age, message and number of personages. Joseph's reason for praying is different, and a revival is not mentioned. | *The 1832 account gives a different age, message and number of personages. Joseph's reason for praying is different, and a revival is not mentioned. | ||
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− | *[[First Vision | + | * The critics have not paid close enough attention to the documents they discuss. See: |
− | **[[First Vision/Accounts/1832/Different age provided]] | + | **[[ Question: What differences are there between Joseph Smith's 1832 First Vision account and later accounts?|1832 account]] |
− | **[[First Vision/Accounts/1832/Motivation is different]] | + | **[[First Vision/Accounts/1832/Different age provided|Different age provided?]] |
− | **[[First Vision/Accounts/1832/Only one Personage appears]] | + | **[[First Vision/Accounts/1832/Motivation is different|Motivation is different]] |
− | **[[First Vision/Accounts/1832/Doesn't mention a revival]] | + | **[[First Vision/Accounts/1832/Only one Personage appears|Only one Personage appears?]] |
+ | **[[First Vision/Accounts/1832/Doesn't mention a revival|Doesn't mention a revival?]] | ||
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*Ankerberg, ''Mormonism Revisited'', 13-14. | *Ankerberg, ''Mormonism Revisited'', 13-14. | ||
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*Accounts "written between 1835 and 1836" are claimed to have "no mention of God or Christ at all—only of many spirits who 'testified' of Jesus." A group of "nebulous 'spirits'" tells Joseph to begin a new church rather than God. | *Accounts "written between 1835 and 1836" are claimed to have "no mention of God or Christ at all—only of many spirits who 'testified' of Jesus." A group of "nebulous 'spirits'" tells Joseph to begin a new church rather than God. | ||
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− | *This is a bizarre claim. From Joseph's diary entry from 9 November 1835: | + | *{{Absurd}} |
+ | *{{SourceDistortion}}: This is a bizarre claim. From Joseph's diary entry from 9 November 1835: | ||
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...a personage appeard in the midst of this pillar of flame which was spread all around, and yet nothing consumed, another personage soon appeard like unto the first, he said unto me thy sins are forgiven thee, he testified unto me that Jesus Christ is the Son of God; and I saw many angels in this vision I was about 14 years old when I received this first communication; When I was about 17 years old I saw another vision of angels in the night season after I had retired to bed... | ...a personage appeard in the midst of this pillar of flame which was spread all around, and yet nothing consumed, another personage soon appeard like unto the first, he said unto me thy sins are forgiven thee, he testified unto me that Jesus Christ is the Son of God; and I saw many angels in this vision I was about 14 years old when I received this first communication; When I was about 17 years old I saw another vision of angels in the night season after I had retired to bed... | ||
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− | *The authors ask the question: "If Jesus had really been standing before Joseph | + | *The authors ask the question: "If Jesus had really been standing before Joseph Smith, why would a multitude of spirits also have been necessary to "testify" of Him?" |
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− | *This is an absurd question. If the authors had actually ''read'' the primary source, they would find that one of the ''two personages'' testified of Jesus Christ. In addition, there is no mention of a "multitude of spirits" testifying of anything. Joseph mentions that "many angels" also appeared. | + | *{{SourceDistortion}}: This is an absurd question. If the authors had actually ''read'' the primary source, they would find that one of the ''two personages'' testified of Jesus Christ. In addition, there is no mention of a "multitude of spirits" testifying of anything. Joseph mentions that "many angels" also appeared. |
+ | *{{DoubleStandard}}: Biblical visions of God also contain angelic hosts (e.g., {{s||Isaiah|6|1-4}}). We suspect that these conservative Christian critics would have no complaint about angels appearing along with God to biblical prophets, but condemn Joseph for the same thing. | ||
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*Author's opinion. | *Author's opinion. | ||
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*The authors postulate that Joseph ''did'' have a vision of spirits, and that these spirits wanted Joseph to establish the "Mormon church." | *The authors postulate that Joseph ''did'' have a vision of spirits, and that these spirits wanted Joseph to establish the "Mormon church." | ||
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+ | * Joseph's first act as prophet was to publish the Book of Mormon, which was intended to serve in the "convincing of the Jew and Gentile that JESUS is the CHRIST, the ETERNAL GOD, manifesting himself unto all nations" (title page). Why would evil spirits inspire someone to testify that Jesus was the Christ and God? | ||
+ | * Jesus had a reply to similar critics who accused ''him'' of working by the power of the devil: "if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?....But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you" ({{b||Matthew|12|26-28}}). | ||
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*The authors state that Joseph "never saw the biblical Jesus" because they say that Jesus "would never appear to an occultist, reject his own faithful servants as 'abominations' and then proceed to begin a new, heretical church that denied and opposed everything He ever taught." | *The authors state that Joseph "never saw the biblical Jesus" because they say that Jesus "would never appear to an occultist, reject his own faithful servants as 'abominations' and then proceed to begin a new, heretical church that denied and opposed everything He ever taught." | ||
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+ | * The authors engage in circular reasoning—they presume that what they claim about Joseph is true, and then use it to argue that Joseph could not have had a visitation because of the (unproven) accusations which they make. | ||
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*Author's opinion. | *Author's opinion. |
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