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+ | * According to the authors, Lucy Mack Smith's account indicates that Joseph was only making up amusing stories about ancient Americans which he then told to his family prior to obtaining the plates and translating the Book of Mormon. The Tanners support this claim by quoting from Lucy Mack Smith, but their quote leaves out a large and very relevant section of the paragraph. They remove Lucy's report that Joseph spoke primarily of spiritual tutoring and his increasing understanding of the forthcoming restoration, and leave in the "amusing recitals" that, taking Lucy's account as a whole, were clearly only an occasional feature of Joseph's conversations with his family. | ||
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+ | * See Robert Vukich, [http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2000_Mormonism_Shadow_or_Reality.html An Incident Concerning Page 81 of "Mormonism--Shadow or Reality?"], FAIR Conference, 2000. | ||
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+ | * History of Joseph Smith by His Mother, 1954 Edition, pages 82-83. | ||
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*The authors continue by stating that "Heber C. Kimball went on to explain that rather than God coming Himself, He sent messengers to Joseph Smith. He went on to state: | *The authors continue by stating that "Heber C. Kimball went on to explain that rather than God coming Himself, He sent messengers to Joseph Smith. He went on to state: | ||
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− | Why did he not come along? Because he has agents to attend to his business, and he sits upon his throne and is established at head-quarters and tells this man, 'Go and do this,' and it is behind the vail just as it is here. You have got to learn that." ( | + | Why did he not come along? Because he has agents to attend to his business, and he sits upon his throne and is established at head-quarters and tells this man, 'Go and do this,' and it is behind the vail just as it is here. You have got to learn that." ({{JDfairwiki|author=Heber C. Kimball|vol=6|disc=4|start=29}}). |
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All others, who are not classed as sons of perdition, will be "redeemed in the due time of the Lord"; that is, they will all be saved. '''The MEANEST SINNER will find some place in the heavenly realm...'''<br><Br> | All others, who are not classed as sons of perdition, will be "redeemed in the due time of the Lord"; that is, they will all be saved. '''The MEANEST SINNER will find some place in the heavenly realm...'''<br><Br> | ||
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− | In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, '''THERE IS NO HELL. ALL will find a measure of salvation''', ... The gospel of Jesus Christ '''has NO HELL''' in the old proverbial sense. (Joseph Smith--Seeker After Truth, Salt Lake City, 1951, pp. 177-178). | + | In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, '''THERE IS NO HELL. ALL will find a measure of salvation''', ... The gospel of Jesus Christ '''has NO HELL''' in the old proverbial sense. (Joseph Smith--Seeker After Truth, Salt Lake City, 1951, pp. 177-178). |
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The Apostle John A. Widtsoe seemed to be teaching the very thing that the Book of Mormon condemned! | The Apostle John A. Widtsoe seemed to be teaching the very thing that the Book of Mormon condemned! | ||
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+ | *(Capitalization as in original; the bold material was underlined in the Tanner's work for emphasis.) | ||
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*Note how Elder Widtsoe is trying to explain the differences between the sectarian vision of hell and the LDS one. He nowhere claims that sinners get a 'free ride' into heaven, and even opines that LDS understanding of punishment may be worse, in some ways. Note too the author's tendency to distort and obscure meaning through ALL CAPS and '''emphasis'''. | *Note how Elder Widtsoe is trying to explain the differences between the sectarian vision of hell and the LDS one. He nowhere claims that sinners get a 'free ride' into heaven, and even opines that LDS understanding of punishment may be worse, in some ways. Note too the author's tendency to distort and obscure meaning through ALL CAPS and '''emphasis'''. | ||
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''To illustrate the definite break with the Christianity of the day, [consider a doctrine] foreign to the truth of the gospel but taught almost vehemently over centuries by the priests of an apostate Christianity...that sinners will be sent to hell, there to remain in torture throughout eternity....In Joseph's day preachers still taught the proverbial hell of everlasting torture. In the text books of his day, in many nations, were pictures of devils with pitchforks pushing sinners into the flames of hells, there to suffer the agony of being burned, but never consumed. With one hand the preacher offered a fragment of God's love, and with the other, the torment of an unutterable never-ending hell provided by an angry, unforgiving God. Under such a cruel doctrine men would be frightened, so it was hoped, into a righteous manner of living. How men could devise so horrible a future for any one of God's children is a striking evidence of the apostasy from the simple loving gospel of Jesus Christ...the breaking of any law brings punishment which however may be paid for through repentance. If repentance does not follow sin, full punishment inevitably follows...''...In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, there is no hell. All will find a measure of salvation; ''all must pay for any infringement of the law; but the payment will be as the Lord may decide. There is graded salvation. This may be a more terrible punishment: to feel that because of sin a man is here, when by a correct life, he might be higher.'' The gospel of Jesus Christ has no hell in the old proverbial sense. | ''To illustrate the definite break with the Christianity of the day, [consider a doctrine] foreign to the truth of the gospel but taught almost vehemently over centuries by the priests of an apostate Christianity...that sinners will be sent to hell, there to remain in torture throughout eternity....In Joseph's day preachers still taught the proverbial hell of everlasting torture. In the text books of his day, in many nations, were pictures of devils with pitchforks pushing sinners into the flames of hells, there to suffer the agony of being burned, but never consumed. With one hand the preacher offered a fragment of God's love, and with the other, the torment of an unutterable never-ending hell provided by an angry, unforgiving God. Under such a cruel doctrine men would be frightened, so it was hoped, into a righteous manner of living. How men could devise so horrible a future for any one of God's children is a striking evidence of the apostasy from the simple loving gospel of Jesus Christ...the breaking of any law brings punishment which however may be paid for through repentance. If repentance does not follow sin, full punishment inevitably follows...''...In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, there is no hell. All will find a measure of salvation; ''all must pay for any infringement of the law; but the payment will be as the Lord may decide. There is graded salvation. This may be a more terrible punishment: to feel that because of sin a man is here, when by a correct life, he might be higher.'' The gospel of Jesus Christ has no hell in the old proverbial sense. | ||
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+ | {{SeeAlso|Plan_of_salvation/Three_degrees_of_glory/Concept_of_Hell|l1=LDS concept of hell}} | ||
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− | * | + | *{{Book:Widtose:Joseph Smith Seeker After Truth|pages=173-178}} |
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Index to claims made in Mormonism: Shadow or Reality?
A FAIR Analysis of: Criticism of Mormonism/Books/Mormonism: Shadow or Reality, a work by author: Jerald and Sandra Tanner
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