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325 After Joseph's death, Rhoda Richards was sealed to "her cousin Brigham Young."
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327 "Orson Hyde reported seeing a 'wonderful lustful spirit' on his visit to the polygamous Cochranite community….In 1834 he acquired his own lustful spirit in Marinda Johnson…." G. D. Smith is apparently trying to be cute.  What G. D. Smith does not tell us is that Hyde’s attitude to the Cochranites’ free love was wholly negative, as his source for the journal indicates.  Wonderful is here not being used in the sense of “excit[ing] . . . admiration” but, rather, “strange; astonishing.”  Elsewhere anxious that we not misunderstand Victorian idiom, G. D. Smith here provides the reader no help (pp. 41–42). It is not clear that Hyde would have agreed that his marriage partook of the same “lustful spirit.”
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333 Parley P. Pratt's "last wife, Eleanor McComb McLean…was sealed to him without divorcing her legal husband, who fatally shot Parley near Van Buren, Arkansas…." G.D. Smith again relies on presentism.
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{{propaganda|Here the author again relies on presentism to provide a hostile interpretive lens. It was not unusual for first cousins to marry.  Nineteen of the present-day states permit unrestricted marriage between first cousins, and most countries have no restrictions at all on marriage between cousins.  In its exploitation of the presentist fallacy, the author’s remark is utterly irrelevant in its historical context.
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Practices regarding marriage and divorce differed substantially from the 20th or 21st century. Smith also tells us nothing about McComb's tyrannical and abusive husband, making him appear the wronged party.
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333 The murder of Parley P. Pratt was "the proximate cause of the Mountain Meadows Massacre." There were many causes of the Mountain Meadows Massacre, not just something that can be labelled "the proximate cause." (Smith gives links to various treatments on pp. 298–299, n.107—this is a refreshing, if rare, example of him providing links to the relevant literature which advocate different views.)
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While Pratt's murder doubtless increased the LDS sense of alienation, President Brigham Young counselled peace and patience, and Pratt's murder was "old news" before the Fancher train arrival (it went unmentioned, for example, in accounts of the Mormons receiving news of the approaching federal army).  
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Far from being the proximate cause, Pratt's murder was a minor factor which played little role in the tragedy of Mountain Meadows.  G.D. Smith's attempt to make a murder related to polygamy into the proximate cause of the Mountain Meadows Massacre is ahistorical. Scott F. and Maurine J. Proctor, Autobiography of Parley P. Pratt (1874; Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 2000), 586-99.
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334 Parley P. Pratt engaged in "theological philanderings." Loaded language, prejudicial None
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345 "though she [Louisa Chapin Rising] was not divorced from her legal husband, she agreed to marry [Edwin Woolley]" in polygamy. Presentism
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Flyleaf "Bishop Edwin Woolley…convinced [his future plural wife] to marry him.  She did so without first divorcing her legal husband." Presentism
 
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351 Ezra Taft Benson was "a correspondent of FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover…." It is not clear what relevance this has to Benson, plural marriage, or anything else, save perhaps that it associates the church president with a figure now regarded as repressive, megalomaniacal, and something of a sexual deviant. None
 

Latest revision as of 14:14, 13 April 2024

Contents

Response to claims made in "Chapter 5"



Chapter 4
A FAIR Analysis of: Nauvoo Polygamy: "... but we called it celestial marriage", a work by author: George D. Smith
 		Chapter 6

Response to claims made in Nauvoo Polygamy, "Chapter 5"


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Response to claim: 325 - The author points out that after Joseph's death, Rhoda Richards was sealed to "her cousin Brigham Young"

The author(s) of Nauvoo Polygamy make(s) the following claim:

The author points out that after Joseph's death, Rhoda Richards was sealed to "her cousin Brigham Young."

FAIR's Response

Fact checking results: This claim contains propaganda - The author, or the author's source, is providing information or ideas in a slanted way in order to instill a particular attitude or response in the reader

Here the author again relies on presentism to provide a hostile interpretive lens. It was not unusual for first cousins to marry. Nineteen of the present-day states permit unrestricted marriage between first cousins, and most countries have no restrictions at all on marriage between cousins. In its exploitation of the presentist fallacy, the author’s remark is utterly irrelevant in its historical context.


Response to claim: 333 - Parley P. Pratt's is claimed to have been seald to his "last wife, Eleanor McComb McLean...without divorcing her legal husband"

The author(s) of Nauvoo Polygamy make(s) the following claim:

Parley P. Pratt's is claimed to have been seald to his "last wife, Eleanor McComb McLean...without divorcing her legal husband, who fatally shot Parley near Van Buren, Arkansas…."

FAIR's Response

Fact checking results: The author has stated erroneous information or misinterpreted their sources

The author relies on presentism. Practices regarding marriage and divorce differed substantially from the 20th or 21st century. The author also tells us nothing about McComb's tyrannical and abusive husband, making him appear the wronged party.


Response to claim: 345 - Edwin Wooley married Louisa Chapin Rising as a polygamous wife even though she was not divorced from her legal husband

The author(s) of Nauvoo Polygamy make(s) the following claim:

Edwin Wooley married Louisa Chapin Rising as a polygamous wife even though she was not divorced from her legal husband.

FAIR's Response

Fact checking results: The author has stated erroneous information or misinterpreted their sources

Response to claim: 351 - Ezra Taft Benson was "a correspondent of FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover"

The author(s) make(s) the following claim:

Ezra Taft Benson was "a correspondent of FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover…."

FAIR's Response

Fact checking results: This claim contains propaganda - The author, or the author's source, is providing information or ideas in a slanted way in order to instill a particular attitude or response in the reader

It is not clear what relevance this has to Benson, plural marriage, or anything else, save perhaps that it associates the church president with a figure now regarded as repressive, megalomaniacal, and something of a sexual deviant.


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