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Latest revision as of 22:49, 6 May 2024
Weight and size of the gold plates
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- Question: What material were the plates made from?
- Question: How much did the gold plates weigh?
- Question: What was the size of each of the gold plates?
- Question: What was the thickness of each gold plate?
- Question: What was the thickness of the entire volume of gold plates?
- Question: What were the characteristics of the rings which held the gold plates together?
- Question: Was the reported weight of the plates too heavy for Joseph to run with?
Question: What material were the plates made from?
The plates were most likely an alloy of a lighter metal, such as copper, which was covered with a thin layer of gold
The plates are sometimes described as "gold plates," and at other times they are claimed to have had the "appearance of gold." Pure gold would not be capable of retaining engraving, nor would it have the strength to maintain the integrity of the plates themselves. The plates were most likely an alloy of a lighter metal, such as copper, which was covered with a thin layer of gold. Such an alloy actually exists in Mesoamerica. See Wikipedia entry "Tumbaga" off-site. According to Wikipedia: "Tumbaga can be treated with a simple acid, like citric acid, to dissolve copper off the surface. What remains is a shiny layer of nearly pure gold on top of a harder, more durable copper-gold alloy sheet. This process is referred to as depletion gilding."
- "the appearance of gold"[1] — Joseph Smith Jr., Eight Witnesses
- "golden plates"[2] — David Whitmer
- "a mixture of gold and copper"[3] - William Smith
- "in a good state of preservation, had the appearance of gold" - William Smith in James Murdock to Congregational Observer, 19 June 1841, "The Mormons and Their Prophet," Congregational Observer (Hartford and New Haven, Connecticut) 2 (3 July 1841): 1. Reprinted in Peoria Register and North-Western Gazetteer (Peoria, Illinois), 3 September 1841; reproduced in Vogel, Early Mormon Documents 1:477–480.
- "pure gold" - “The Orators of Mormon,” Catholic Telegraph (Cincinnati, Ohio) 1 (14 April 1832): 204–5. Reprinted from Mercer Press (Pennsylvania), circa April 1832. off-site
- "whitish yellow" - Howe, Mormonism Unvailed, 15; attributed to David Whitmer off-site
- "engraven on plates of gold" - Parley P. Pratt, "Discovery of an Ancient Record in America," Millennial Star 1 no. 2 (June 1840), 30–37. off-site
- "this pretended Revelation was written on golden plates, or something resembling golden plates" - A.S., “The Golden Bible, or, Campbellism Improved,” Observer and Telegraph. Religious, Political, and Literary, Hudson, Ohio (18 November 1830): 3, quoting Cowdery. off-site
Question: How much did the gold plates weigh?
The plates weighed approximately sixty pounds
Witnesses of the Book of Mormon were consistent in their witness that the plates weighed 40-60 pounds.
Some critics assume that the "golden plates" are pure gold, or that they are a solid block of gold. Neither conclusion is warranted.
- Pure gold plates would be too soft to hold engraving well. An alloy of gold and copper called "tumbaga," known in Mesoamerica, would suit both the appearance and weight of the plates.[4]
- The plates were not a solid block of gold, but a set of page-like leaves, which reduces the weight by about 50%.
- "weighing altogether from forty to sixty lbs."[5] —Martin Harris
Witness statements regarding the weight of the gold plates
- "I was permitted to lift them. . . . They weighed about sixty pounds according to the best of my judgement."[6] —William Smith
- "I . . . judged them to have weighed about sixty pounds."[7]—William Smith
- "They were much heavier than a stone, and very much heavier than wood. . . . As near as I could tell, about sixty pounds."[8] —William Smith
- "I hefted the plates, and I knew from the heft that they were lead or gold."[9] —Martin Harris
- "My daughter said, they were about as much as she could lift. They were now in the glass-box, and my wife said they were very heavy. They both lifted them."[10] —Martin Harris
- "I moved them from place to place on the table, as it was necessary in doing my work."[11] —Emma Smith
- Joseph's sister Catherine, while she was dusting in the room where he had been translating, "hefted those plates [which were covered with a cloth] and found them very heavy."[12] —H. S. Salisbury, paraphrasing Catherine Smith Salisbury
Question: What was the size of each of the gold plates?
Each plate was approximately 6 to 7 inches wide and 7 to 8 inches long
- "7 inches in length, 6 inches in breadth" [13] - Quoting Oliver Cowdery
- "six inches wide by eight inches long"[14] —Joseph Smith Jr.
- "seven inches wide by eight inches in length"[15] —Martin Harris
- "seven by eight inches"[16] —Martin Harris
- "about eight inches long, seven inches wide"[17] —David Whitmer
- "about eight inches square" - quoting David Whitmer [18]
- "six or eight inches square" - Critical newspaper[19]
- "The plates were each about 7 by 8 inches in width and length." - Parley P. Pratt [20]
- "about eight inches long, and six wide" - Lucy Mack Smith (allegedly)[21]
- "Each plate was about six by eight inches"[22]
Question: What was the thickness of each gold plate?
Each plate was as thick as thick paper, parchment or tin
- "of the thickness of tin" - Oliver Cowdery [23]
- "of the thickness of plates of tin"[24] —Martin Harris
- "thin leaves of gold"[25] - Martin Harris
- "about as thick as parchment"[26] — David Whitmer
- "[We] could raise the leaves this way (raising a few leaves of the Bible before him)."[27] — William Smith
- "They seemed to be pliable like thick paper, and would rustle with a metalic [sic] sound when the edges were moved by the thumb, as one does sometimes thumb the edges of a book."[28] — Emma Smith
- "each as thick as a pane of glass" - Critical newspaper[29]
- "the plates themselves were about as thick as window glass, or common tin" - Critical newspaper [30]
- "thickness of tin plates" - Citing David Whitmer [31]
- "being about the thickness of common tin" - Parley P. Pratt [32]
- "as thick as common tin" - [33]
Question: What was the thickness of the entire volume of gold plates?
The entire volume was approximately six inches thick
- "a pile about 6 inches deep." - Quoting Oliver Cowdery [34]
- "[W]hen piled one above the other, they were altogether about four inches thick."[35] — Martin Harris
- "six or eight inches thick" - Critical newspaper [36]
- "The volume was something near six inches in thickness." - Parley P. Pratt[37]
- "The volume was something near six inches in thickness" - Joseph Smith [38]
- "the whole being about six inches in thickness"[39]
Question: What were the characteristics of the rings which held the gold plates together?
The plates were fastened together by three D-shaped rings
- "[T]hey were fastened with rings thus [a sketch shows a ring in the shape of a capital D with six lines drawn through the straight side of the letter to represent the leaves of the record]."[40] —David Whitmer
- "bound together like the leaves of a book by massive rings passing through the back edges"[41] —David Whitmer
- "They were bound together in the shape of a book by three gold rings."[42] —David Whitmer
- "put together on the back by three silver rings, so that they would open like a book"[43] —Martin Harris
- " bound together in a volume, as the leaves of a book with three rings running through the whole" - Joseph Smith [44]
- "The plates were . . . connected with rings in the shape of the letter D, which facilitated the opening and shutting of the book."[45] - William E. McLellin quoting Hyrum Smith
- "I could tell they were plates of some kind and that they were fastened together by rings running through the back."[46] - William Smith
- "volume of them were bound together like the leaves of a book, and fastened at one edge with three rings running through the whole" - Parley P. Pratt[47]
- "They are all connected by a ring which passes through a hole at the end of each plate" - Lucy Mack Smith (allegedly) [48]
- "put together with three rings, running through the whole"[49]
- "The plates were minutely described as being connected with rings in the shape of the letter D, when facilitated the opening and shutting of the book."[50] - Early skeptical newspaper account
- "back was secured with three small rings of the same metal, passing through each leaf in succession" - Citing David Whitmer [51]
It should be noted that the "D" shape here described is the most efficient way to pack pages with rings. It is a common design in modern three-ring binders, but was not invented until recently (the two-ring binder did not exist prior to 1854 and were first advertised in 1899. The critics would apparently have us believe that Joseph Smith and/or the witnesses just happened upon the most efficient binding design more than a century before anyone else! Such a pattern also matches a collection of gold plates found in Bavaria dating from 600 B.C.[52]
Question: Was the reported weight of the plates too heavy for Joseph to run with?
Notes
- ↑ Joseph Smith Jr., "Church History [also known as the Wentworth Letter]," Times and Seasons (1 March 1842), 707. off-site GospeLink ; "The Testimony of Eight Witnesses," Book of Mormon; and Orson Pratt, in a pamphlet titled "An Interesting Account of Several Remarkable Visions, and of the Late Discovery of Ancient American Records" (Edinburgh, Scotland: Ballantyne and Hughes, May 1840), 12–13.
- ↑ David Whitmer interview, Kansas City Journal, 5 June 1881, in David Whitmer Interviews: A Restoration Witness, ed. Lyndon W. Cook (Orem, Utah: Grandin, 1993), 60.
- ↑ William Smith (Joseph's younger brother) interview, The Saints' Herald, 4 October 1884, 644.
- ↑ See Roy W. Doxey, "I Have A Question: What was the approximate weight of the gold plates from which the Book of Mormon was translated?," Ensign (December 1986): 64.
- ↑ Martin Harris interview, Iowa State Register, August 1870, as quoted in Milton V. Backman Jr., Eyewitness Accounts of the Restoration (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1986), 226.
- ↑ William Smith, William Smith on Mormonism (Lamoni, Iowa: Herald Steam, 1883), 12.
- ↑ William Smith interview with E. C. Briggs. Originally written by J. W. Peterson for Zions Ensign (Independence, Mo.); reprinted in Deseret Evening News, 20 January 1894, 11.
- ↑ William Smith interview, The Saints' Herald, 4 October 1884, 644.
- ↑ "Interview with Martin Harris," Tiffany's Monthly, May 1859, 169.
- ↑ "Interview with Martin Harris," Tiffany's Monthly, May 1859, 168.
- ↑ Emma Smith interview, published as "Last Testimony of Sister Emma," The Saints' Herald, 1 October 1879.
- ↑ I. B. Bell interview with H. S. Salisbury (grandson of Catherine Smith Salisbury), Historical Department Archives, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
- ↑ A.S., “The Golden Bible, or, Campbellism Improved,” Observer and Telegraph. Religious, Political, and Literary, Hudson, Ohio (18 November 1830): 3, quoting Cowdery. off-site
- ↑ Joseph Smith Jr., "Church History [also known as the Wentworth Letter]," Times and Seasons (1 March 1842), 707. off-site GospeLink
- ↑ Martin Harris interview, Tiffany's Monthly, May 1859, 165.
- ↑ Martin Harris interview, Iowa State Register, August 1870, as quoted in Backman, Eyewitness Accounts, 226.
- ↑ David Whitmer interview, Chicago Tribune, 24 January 1888, in David Whitmer Interviews, ed. Cook, 221.
- ↑ ED Howe, Mormonism Unvailed, 15; attributed to David Whitmer off-site
- ↑ “Mormonism,” Fredonia Censor (New York) (7 March 1832). Reprinted from the Franklin Democrat (Pennsylvania) circa March 1832. off-site
- ↑ Parley P. Pratt, "Discovery of an Ancient Record in America," Millennial Star 1 no. 2 (June 1840), 30–37. off-site
- ↑ Henry Caswall, The City of the Mormons; or, Three Days at Nauvoo, in 1842, 2nd ed. revised and enlarged, (London: J. G. F. & J. Rivington, 1843), 26. off-site
- ↑ W. I. Appleby, A Dissertation of Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream... (Philadelphia: Brown, Bicking & Guilbert, 1844), 1–24. Full title
- ↑ A.S., “The Golden Bible, or, Campbellism Improved,” Observer and Telegraph. Religious, Political, and Literary, Hudson, Ohio (18 November 1830): 3, quoting Cowdery. off-site
- ↑ Martin Harris interview, Tiffany's Monthly, May 1859, 165.
- ↑ Martin Harris interview, Iowa State Register, August 1870, as quoted in Backman, Eyewitness Accounts, 226.
- ↑ Martin Harris interview, Iowa State Register, August 1870, as quoted in Backman, Eyewitness Accounts, 226.
- ↑ William Smith, The Saints' Herald, 4 October 1884, 644.
- ↑ Emma Smith interview, The Saints' Herald, 1 October 1879.
- ↑ “Mormonism,” Fredonia Censor (New York) (7 March 1832). Reprinted from the Franklin Democrat (Pennsylvania) circa March 1832. off-site
- ↑ “The Orators of Mormon,” Catholic Telegraph (Cincinnati, Ohio) 1 (14 April 1832): 204–5. Reprinted from Mercer Press (Pennsylvania), circa April 1832. off-site
- ↑ ED Howe, Mormonism Unvailed, 15; attributed to David Whitmer off-site
- ↑ Parley P. Pratt, "Discovery of an Ancient Record in America," Millennial Star 1 no. 2 (June 1840), 30–37. off-site
- ↑ W. I. Appleby, A Dissertation of Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream... (Philadelphia: Brown, Bicking & Guilbert, 1844), 1–24. Full title
- ↑ A.S., “The Golden Bible, or, Campbellism Improved,” Observer and Telegraph. Religious, Political, and Literary, Hudson, Ohio (18 November 1830): 3, quoting Cowdery. off-site
- ↑ Martin Harris interview, Tiffany's Monthly, May 1859, 165.
- ↑ “Mormonism,” Fredonia Censor (New York) (7 March 1832). Reprinted from the Franklin Democrat (Pennsylvania) circa March 1832. off-site
- ↑ Parley P. Pratt, "Discovery of an Ancient Record in America," Millennial Star 1 no. 2 (June 1840), 30–37. off-site
- ↑ Joseph Smith, "Church History [Wentworth letter]," Times and Seasons 3 no. 9 (1 Mar 1842), 706–710. off-site GospeLink off-site
- ↑ W. I. Appleby, A Dissertation of Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream... (Philadelphia: Brown, Bicking & Guilbert, 1844), 1–24. Full title
- ↑ David Whitmer interview, Edward Stevenson diary, 22–23 December 1877, Historical Department Archives, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Original capitalization and punctuation have been modernized. In Stevenson's interview, Whitmer recounted his mother's description of the rings.
- ↑ David Whitmer interview, Kansas City Journal, 5 June 1881, 1.
- ↑ David Whitmer interview, Chicago Tribune, 24 January 1888, in David Whitmer Interviews, ed. Cook, 221.
- ↑ Martin Harris interview, Tiffany's Monthly, May 1859, 165.
- ↑ Joseph Smith, "Church History [Wentworth letter]," Times and Seasons 3 no. 9 (1 Mar 1842), 706–710. off-site GospeLink off-site
- ↑ Reported in the Huron Reflector (Norwalk, OH), 31 October 1831; cited in Warren P. Ashton, "The Rings That Bound the Gold Plates Together," Insights 26 no. 3 (2006), N/A..
- ↑ Interview of William Smith with E. C. Briggs and J. W. Peterson, Zion's Ensign, 13 January 1894, 6.
- ↑ Parley P. Pratt, "Discovery of an Ancient Record in America," Millennial Star 1 no. 2 (June 1840), 30–37. off-site
- ↑ Henry Caswall, The City of the Mormons; or, Three Days at Nauvoo, in 1842, 2nd ed. revised and enlarged, (London: J. G. F. & J. Rivington, 1843), 26. off-site
- ↑ W. I. Appleby, A Dissertation of Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream... (Philadelphia: Brown, Bicking & Guilbert, 1844), 1–24. Full title
- ↑ “The Mormonites,” Christian Intelligencer and Eastern Chronicle (Gardiner, Maine) (18 November 1831): 184. Reprinted from Illinois Patriot (Jacksonville, Illinois) (16 September 1831). off-site
- ↑ ED Howe, Mormonism Unvailed, 15; attributed to David Whitmer off-site
- ↑ Warren P. Ashton, "The Rings That Bound the Gold Plates Together," Insights 26 no. 3 (2006), N/A.