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:''This video has been produced out of love for our Lord Jesus Christ and love for our Mormon and Christian friends. We pray that it will touch the hearts of all who watch through the grace and truth of Christ Jesus.'' | :''This video has been produced out of love for our Lord Jesus Christ and love for our Mormon and Christian friends. We pray that it will touch the hearts of all who watch through the grace and truth of Christ Jesus.'' | ||
− | However, we find such declarations of love inconsistent with their disappointing behavior as they revile and demean what Latter-day Saint Christians hold dear and sacred. Perhaps we should be asking | + | However, we find such declarations of love inconsistent with their disappointing behavior as they revile and demean what Latter-day Saint Christians hold dear and sacred. Perhaps we should be asking ''how'' the video's purpose was accomplished rather than if the video's purpose was accomplished. The viewer need only look to their abuse of scripture as we reinstate the apostle Paul's words (in brackets) that they removed in their video presentation. |
− | "God’s word warns: “Do you not know | + | "God’s word warns: “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, [nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,] nor thieves, [nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers,] will inherit the kingdom of God." ({{b|1|Corinthians|6|9-10}}) |
The producers simply removed several words, including "revilers," to avoid implicating themselves in the same condemnation they pronounce on others. This will put the observant viewer on notice that they must carefully research each scripture and claim that this video makes. | The producers simply removed several words, including "revilers," to avoid implicating themselves in the same condemnation they pronounce on others. This will put the observant viewer on notice that they must carefully research each scripture and claim that this video makes. | ||
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− | ! <h2 style="margin:0;background-color:#cedff2;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #a3b0bf;text-align:left;color:#000;padding:0.2em 0.4em;">Claim: "From his fabrication of the First Vision to his reconstruction of the Christian faith and his desire for women it is clear that Joseph centered his life around lust, wealth and power. Joseph Smith joins a long list of those who have used the name of Christ to enrich themselves."</h2> | + | ! <h2 style="margin:0;background-color:#cedff2;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #a3b0bf;text-align:left;color:#000;padding:0.2em 0.4em;">Claim: "From his fabrication of the First Vision to his reconstruction of the Christian faith and his desire for women it is clear that Joseph centered his life around lust, wealth, and power. Joseph Smith joins a long list of those who have used the name of Christ to enrich themselves."</h2> |
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− | We have shown that these claims about the First vision and Joseph's reasons for practicing polygamy are false | + | We have shown that these claims about the First vision and Joseph's reasons for practicing polygamy are false and rely upon a distorted, twisted, or incomplete reading of the historical record. |
Joseph Smith's life demonstrated selflessness, humility, and a desire to serve God and his fellow man. He wasn't without sin, and he never claimed to be. But despite his weaknesses, he was a prophet of God. | Joseph Smith's life demonstrated selflessness, humility, and a desire to serve God and his fellow man. He wasn't without sin, and he never claimed to be. But despite his weaknesses, he was a prophet of God. | ||
− | Joseph published numerous revelations calling him personally to repent.({{s|| | + | Joseph published numerous revelations calling him personally to repent.({{s||D&C|3|9-10}}, {{s||D&C|5|21}} for example) He was quick to aid the poor, and the early Church had many poor. As members came, leaving homes and family and most of their worldly possessions behind, they were welcomed, fed, and clothed by the Church and by the Prophet Joseph Smith. |
− | In the end, he gave his life for his testimony of Jesus Christ | + | In the end, he gave his life for his testimony of Jesus Christ when he could have preserved it by recanting what he claimed to have witnessed. |
'''To read more:''' | '''To read more:''' | ||
* {{lds|topic=Character of Joseph Smith|url=http://www.josephsmith.net/portal/site/JosephSmith/menuitem.da0e1d4eb6d2d87f9c0a33b5f1e543a0/?vgnextoid=934f001cfb340010VgnVCM1000001f5e340aRCRD&locale=0}} | * {{lds|topic=Character of Joseph Smith|url=http://www.josephsmith.net/portal/site/JosephSmith/menuitem.da0e1d4eb6d2d87f9c0a33b5f1e543a0/?vgnextoid=934f001cfb340010VgnVCM1000001f5e340aRCRD&locale=0}} | ||
− | * Reply to DVD on [[Search for the Truth DVD | + | * Reply to DVD on [[Search for the Truth DVD/First Vision|First Vision]] |
− | * Reply to DVD on [[Search for the Truth DVD | + | * Reply to DVD on [[Search for the Truth DVD/The "Occult"|"occult"]] |
− | * Reply to DVD on [[Search for the Truth DVD | + | * Reply to DVD on [[Search for the Truth DVD/Polygamy|plural marriage]] |
− | * Reply to DVD on [[Search for the Truth DVD | + | * Reply to DVD on [[Search for the Truth DVD/The Translator|translation]] |
* [[Template:JosephSmithPortal|Joseph Smith resources]] | * [[Template:JosephSmithPortal|Joseph Smith resources]] | ||
− | * [[ | + | * [[Joseph Smith/Personality and temperament]] |
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! <h2 style="margin:0;background-color:#cedff2;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #a3b0bf;text-align:left;color:#000;padding:0.2em 0.4em;">Claim: "It’s no coincidence that Joseph was murdered in the Carthage jail. Why was Joseph in jail? He destroyed a small paper press called the ''Nauvoo Expositor'' because he didn’t like what they had written about him in their one and only publication." – Patrick Powell</h2> | ! <h2 style="margin:0;background-color:#cedff2;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #a3b0bf;text-align:left;color:#000;padding:0.2em 0.4em;">Claim: "It’s no coincidence that Joseph was murdered in the Carthage jail. Why was Joseph in jail? He destroyed a small paper press called the ''Nauvoo Expositor'' because he didn’t like what they had written about him in their one and only publication." – Patrick Powell</h2> | ||
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The viewer also won't be told that Joseph was released by the Nauvoo municipal court on 13 June 1844. Anti-Mormons claimed this court was biased, so Joseph and others again appeared before non-Mormon judge Daniel H. Wells on 17 June, who discharged them (he did not have power to acquit them, so this was deferred). | The viewer also won't be told that Joseph was released by the Nauvoo municipal court on 13 June 1844. Anti-Mormons claimed this court was biased, so Joseph and others again appeared before non-Mormon judge Daniel H. Wells on 17 June, who discharged them (he did not have power to acquit them, so this was deferred). | ||
− | Governor Ford of | + | Governor Ford of Illinois then asked Joseph to appear before the Carthage judge to satisfy the anti-Mormons. Joseph did so, and was freed on bail. Joseph and Hyrum were then ''arrested again'' because of a writ issued by Robert F. Smith, a Methodist minister, justice of the peace, and captain of the Carthage Grays militia. |
The DVD will not reveal that Joseph was twice released by legal courts. It will not reveal that he was out on bail awaiting trial in a ''third'' court when he was ''rearrested'' by a religious enemy. Governor Ford broke his promise to protect Joseph and Hyrum, and the Carthage Grays conspired to help murder Joseph. | The DVD will not reveal that Joseph was twice released by legal courts. It will not reveal that he was out on bail awaiting trial in a ''third'' court when he was ''rearrested'' by a religious enemy. Governor Ford broke his promise to protect Joseph and Hyrum, and the Carthage Grays conspired to help murder Joseph. | ||
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* [[Joseph Smith as a martyr|Murder of Joseph and Hyrum Smith]] | * [[Joseph Smith as a martyr|Murder of Joseph and Hyrum Smith]] | ||
* Dallin H. Oaks, “The Suppression of the Nauvoo Expositor,” ''Utah Law Review'' 9 (1965):874. | * Dallin H. Oaks, “The Suppression of the Nauvoo Expositor,” ''Utah Law Review'' 9 (1965):874. | ||
− | * {{CarthageConspiracy1 |start= | + | * {{CarthageConspiracy1 |start=1}} |
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! <h2 style="margin:0;background-color:#cedff2;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #a3b0bf;text-align:left;color:#000;padding:0.2em 0.4em;">Claim: "But this was not the first time Joseph was arrested. He had been arrested many times throughout his adult life for things like defrauding people while he was using his glass-looking techniques and creating an illegal bank in Kirtland, Ohio, and fleeing with its monies." – Patrick Powell</h2> | ! <h2 style="margin:0;background-color:#cedff2;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #a3b0bf;text-align:left;color:#000;padding:0.2em 0.4em;">Claim: "But this was not the first time Joseph was arrested. He had been arrested many times throughout his adult life for things like defrauding people while he was using his glass-looking techniques and creating an illegal bank in Kirtland, Ohio, and fleeing with its monies." – Patrick Powell</h2> | ||
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− | Joseph was arrested many times. John the Baptist was arrested. Peter and the apostles were arrested. The apostle Paul was arrested many times. Even Jesus was arrested. (Ironically, | + | Joseph was arrested many times. John the Baptist was arrested. Peter and the apostles were arrested. The apostle Paul was arrested many times. Even Jesus was arrested. (Ironically, two of this video's contributors have been arrested.) Does this mean that John, Peter, Paul, and Jesus are to be condemned? Did they "deserve" what happened to them? Should the producers of this video repudiate the ministries of two of their contributors (Joel Kramer and Chip Thompson) because they have been arrested for exercising what they viewed as their religious rights? |
The video carefully avoids mentioning that Joseph was never found guilty by any court of the charges for which he was arrested. But, for the DVD producers, the mere fact of being arrested and charged with a crime is adequate—Joseph Smith is "guilty until proven innocent." | The video carefully avoids mentioning that Joseph was never found guilty by any court of the charges for which he was arrested. But, for the DVD producers, the mere fact of being arrested and charged with a crime is adequate—Joseph Smith is "guilty until proven innocent." | ||
− | As previously discussed, Joseph was not found guilty in the matter of the "glass-looking," and the person he had supposedly "defrauded" testified in his behalf and joined the Church. (Review treatment of this issue [[Search for the Truth DVD | + | As previously discussed, Joseph was not found guilty in the matter of the "glass-looking," and the person he had supposedly "defrauded" testified in his behalf and joined the Church. (Review treatment of this issue [[Search for the Truth DVD/Polygamy|here]].) |
The Kirtland Safety Society is not an example of Joseph "defrauding" people. Joseph put more of his own money into the bank than any other person, save one. He paid more for his stock than 85% of the other owners. The bank failed, as did hundreds of other banks, because of a nation-wide banking panic. | The Kirtland Safety Society is not an example of Joseph "defrauding" people. Joseph put more of his own money into the bank than any other person, save one. He paid more for his stock than 85% of the other owners. The bank failed, as did hundreds of other banks, because of a nation-wide banking panic. | ||
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:''But the doctrine he has produced will save you and me, and the whole world; and if you can find fault with that, find it.'' | :''But the doctrine he has produced will save you and me, and the whole world; and if you can find fault with that, find it.'' | ||
− | ::<small>—{{ | + | ::<small>—{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|vol=4|disc=15|start=77|end=78}} (paragraph breaks added) {{ea}}</small> |
'''To read more:''' | '''To read more:''' | ||
− | * [[ | + | * [[Joseph Smith/Personality and temperament]] |
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No one will be excommunicated for asking questions. Excommunication occurs only for cases of severe unrepentant sin, or in cases where a member is guilty of ''apostasy''. Apostasy is the public teaching of doctrines believed to be false by the Church, even after being corrected by Church leaders. | No one will be excommunicated for asking questions. Excommunication occurs only for cases of severe unrepentant sin, or in cases where a member is guilty of ''apostasy''. Apostasy is the public teaching of doctrines believed to be false by the Church, even after being corrected by Church leaders. | ||
− | If one were to repeatedly preach the nonsense taught by the ''Search for the Truth'' DVD, one could conceivably be excommunicated for | + | If one were to repeatedly preach the nonsense taught by the ''Search for the Truth'' DVD, one could conceivably be excommunicated for apostasy. But despite anti-Mormon claims to the contrary, Latter-day Saints are not disciplined merely for not believing Church doctrine nor for believing things contrary to Church teachings. |
'''To read more:''' | '''To read more:''' | ||
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− | ! <h2 style="margin:0;background-color:#cedff2;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #a3b0bf;text-align:left;color:#000;padding:0.2em 0.4em;">Claim: "This video has been sent to Mormon leaders knowing that they will try to destroy and discredit its message but this will not change the fact that the content within is true." – Pamela Robertson</h2> | + | ! <div id="leaders"><h2 style="margin:0;background-color:#cedff2;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #a3b0bf;text-align:left;color:#000;padding:0.2em 0.4em;">Claim: "This video has been sent to Mormon leaders knowing that they will try to destroy and discredit its message but this will not change the fact that the content within is true." – Pamela Robertson</h2></div> |
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− | + | This statement presents a clear problem for the producers of this video. Contrast the statement with another statement made in the [[Search for the Truth DVD/Letter|letter that accompanied the DVD]], sent to recipients before the video was released: | |
:''CAUTION: This video is to be viewed by CHRISTIANS ONLY until AFTER the nation-wide distribution which is scheduled for March 25, 2007. In-other-words, DO NOT ALLOW ANY MORMON PEOPLE to view the video or learn of our intended evangelistic outreach until after March 25, 2007.'' | :''CAUTION: This video is to be viewed by CHRISTIANS ONLY until AFTER the nation-wide distribution which is scheduled for March 25, 2007. In-other-words, DO NOT ALLOW ANY MORMON PEOPLE to view the video or learn of our intended evangelistic outreach until after March 25, 2007.'' | ||
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:''Why such extreme caution? If the leadership of the Mormon cult learns of our plans, they will publicly instruct their people not to watch the video and many Mormons will blindly obey.'' | :''Why such extreme caution? If the leadership of the Mormon cult learns of our plans, they will publicly instruct their people not to watch the video and many Mormons will blindly obey.'' | ||
− | The | + | The clear problem? Either it is true that the DVD was sent to LDS leaders, or it is true that it was kept from LDS leadership for fear they would instruct members not to watch the video. It would seem that both statements cannot be true. Rather than accuse the producers of the DVD of lying—which would be assigning intent to these incompatible statements—it seems more prudent to say that this is a clear case of them misleading either one their hosts (Pam Robertson) or their recipients (of the pre-release letter). |
Fortunately, the DVD's message discredits itself rather well, and all members need do is to continue doing what we've always done: share the truth. | Fortunately, the DVD's message discredits itself rather well, and all members need do is to continue doing what we've always done: share the truth. | ||
− | And the only ones being asked to "blindly obey" are those asked to distribute the DVD on doorknobs across the country | + | And the only ones being asked to "blindly obey" are those asked to distribute the DVD on doorknobs across the country and those being asked to believe the DVD's version of LDS doctrine and history. |
'''''Note:''''' FAIR is not owned, affiliated with, or controlled by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. These replies were not prepared at the behest of the Church, and do not represent official statements. They are the opinions only of the authors, who are believing and committed members of the Church. | '''''Note:''''' FAIR is not owned, affiliated with, or controlled by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. These replies were not prepared at the behest of the Church, and do not represent official statements. They are the opinions only of the authors, who are believing and committed members of the Church. | ||
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'''Would they reject a witness of Jesus?''' | '''Would they reject a witness of Jesus?''' | ||
− | Following Jesus' resurrection, He walked with two disciples on the road to Emmaus. They did not recognize Jesus, but listened to Him as "he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself" ({{ | + | Following Jesus' resurrection, He walked with two disciples on the road to Emmaus. They did not recognize Jesus, but listened to Him as "he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself" ({{b||Luke|24|27}}). |
After breaking bread with them, Jesus was revealed to the disciples, and vanished. | After breaking bread with them, Jesus was revealed to the disciples, and vanished. | ||
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Interestingly, the disciples did not say to each other, "We should have known it was Jesus because of his scriptural teaching." Rather, they said: | Interestingly, the disciples did not say to each other, "We should have known it was Jesus because of his scriptural teaching." Rather, they said: | ||
− | :Did not our heart ''burn within us'', while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures? ({{ | + | :Did not our heart ''burn within us'', while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures? ({{b||Luke|24|32}}, emphasis added) |
Would the critics likewise dismiss Jesus' disciples' witness because it was a "burning in the bosom"? Would they characterize this experience as merely the emotional rush of a Hollywood film? | Would the critics likewise dismiss Jesus' disciples' witness because it was a "burning in the bosom"? Would they characterize this experience as merely the emotional rush of a Hollywood film? | ||
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:And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.... | :And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.... | ||
− | :But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. ({{ | + | :But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. ({{b||John|14|16,26}}) |
− | So, we are to heed the whisperings of the Holy Ghost, not ignore them. Instead, the video's producers want you to believe that God would give us a stone when we ask for bread (see {{ | + | So, we are to heed the whisperings of the Holy Ghost, not ignore them. Instead, the video's producers want you to believe that God would give us a stone when we ask for bread (see {{b||Matthew|7|9}}). |
And then we have the admonition of James: | And then we have the admonition of James: | ||
− | :If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. ({{ | + | :If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. ({{b||James|1|5}}) |
Are we to believe then that God will not answer when we knock at the door? That he who asketh will not receive? Latter-day Saints believe in these Biblical admonitions to seek God, to commune with the Spirit, and to trust in Him. | Are we to believe then that God will not answer when we knock at the door? That he who asketh will not receive? Latter-day Saints believe in these Biblical admonitions to seek God, to commune with the Spirit, and to trust in Him. | ||
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− | The DVD wants you to believe that this description of Christ is different from LDS beliefs of Christ. Once again, this is false—hardly an act of love. Latter-day Saints believe that Jesus Christ was the only sinless person to ever live | + | The DVD wants you to believe that this description of Christ is different from LDS beliefs of Christ. Once again, this is false—hardly an act of love. Latter-day Saints believe that Jesus Christ was the only sinless person to ever live and that his sinlessness was one of the attributes that allowed him to make an atonement for all mankind. |
'''To read more:''' | '''To read more:''' | ||
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''Other resources'' | ''Other resources'' | ||
* {{lds|url=http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,802-1,00.html|topic=Jesus Christ}} | * {{lds|url=http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,802-1,00.html|topic=Jesus Christ}} | ||
− | * Reply to DVD on [[Search for the Truth DVD | + | * Reply to DVD on [[Search for the Truth DVD/Who is Jesus|Jesus Christ]] |
− | * Reply to DVD on [[Search for the Truth DVD | + | * Reply to DVD on [[Search for the Truth DVD/Eternal Life|Beliefs about salvation]] |
* [[Plain and Precious Book of Mormon doctrines|Book of Mormon doctrines about Jesus Christ]] | * [[Plain and Precious Book of Mormon doctrines|Book of Mormon doctrines about Jesus Christ]] | ||
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:Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. | :Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. | ||
:Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? | :Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? | ||
− | :Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city. ({{ | + | :Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city. ({{b||Matthew|23|28-34}}) |
If one wants to ''Search for the Truth'' about Joseph Smith, one will need to look much further than the superficial slogans, distortions, and untruths presented in this DVD. | If one wants to ''Search for the Truth'' about Joseph Smith, one will need to look much further than the superficial slogans, distortions, and untruths presented in this DVD. | ||
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:''There has been no end to opposition. There are misinterpretations and misrepresentations of us and of our history, some of it mean-spirited and certainly contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ and His gospel. Sometimes clergy, even ministerial organizations, oppose us. They do what we would never do. We do not attack or criticize or oppose others as they do us.... Strangest of all, otherwise intelligent people claim we are not Christian. This shows that they know little or nothing about us. It is a true principle that you cannot lift yourself by putting others down.'' | :''There has been no end to opposition. There are misinterpretations and misrepresentations of us and of our history, some of it mean-spirited and certainly contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ and His gospel. Sometimes clergy, even ministerial organizations, oppose us. They do what we would never do. We do not attack or criticize or oppose others as they do us.... Strangest of all, otherwise intelligent people claim we are not Christian. This shows that they know little or nothing about us. It is a true principle that you cannot lift yourself by putting others down.'' | ||
− | ::<small>—{{Ensign|author=Boyd K. Packer|article=A Defense and a Refuge|date=November 2006|start=85|end=88}} {{link|url=http:// | + | ::<small>—{{Ensign|author=Boyd K. Packer|article=A Defense and a Refuge|date=November 2006|start=85|end=88}} {{link|url=http://www.lds.org/ensign/2006/11/a-defense-and-a-refuge?lang=eng}}</small> |
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At last, something with which we can agree. If you have questions, you ''should'' get the facts—all the facts. | At last, something with which we can agree. If you have questions, you ''should'' get the facts—all the facts. | ||
− | But, you won't get them from this DVD | + | But, you won't get them from this DVD or the ministries that support anti-Mormon propaganda. |
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